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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1124847" data-attributes="member: 14225">OK...Let's take a Dragoon (a warrior type mounted/archer/meleeist) out to 16th level:Human:1 Ranger 1: (Mounted Combat, Educated, Track) {Favored Enemy, Wild Empathy, Animal Fondling)2 Fighter 1: (Power Attack)3 Paladin 1: (Cleave) {Detect Evil, Smite Evil}4 Paladin 2: {Divine Grace, Lay on Hands}5 Fighter 2: (Great Cleave)6 Ranger 2: (Rapid Shot, Point Blank Shot)7 Knight Protector 1: {Defensive Blow +2, Shining Beacon}8 Knight Protector 2: (Iron Will) {Best Effort +2}9 Knight of the Middle Circle1: (Weapon Focus: Composite Longbow, Blind Fighting) {combat sense +2,  one 1st level spell}10 Ranger 3: (Endurance)11 Templar 1: (Weapon Specialization: Composite Longbow) {Mettle, one 1st level spell}12 Order of the Bow Initiate 1: (Precise Shot) {Ranged Sneak Attack 1d6}13 Order of the Bow Initiate 2: (Close Combat Shot)14 Divine Champion 1: {Lay on Hands}15 Divine Champion 2: (Far Shot, spirited charge)16 Deepwood Sniper 1: (Improved Critical: all ranged weapons) {range increment increae +10 ft.}A 16th level human fighter attempting to be a Dragoon would have a BAB of +16, Saves of +10/+3/+3, a base of 38 skill points, and 16 feats.This Dragoon has a BAB of +16, Saves of +14/+11/+13, a base of 66 skill points, and 16 literal feats (of which some are Epic feats and some are crap). But he also gets an additional Charisma bonus to saves, a smite attack, +2 to-hit and damage in melee, heal three times his charisma bonus plus two damage per day, +2 to-hit and AC against one chosen foe, a d6 of sneak attack, the ability to detect Evil at will, the ability to shoot a bow farther than a normal character, the ability to cast a couple of crappy 1st level spells (and use wands of cure light wounds), a Favored Enemy bonus, a +2 bonus on any skill check once per day, and a sneak attack die usable with ranged weapons.So I ask you, how is all of that not worth more than the zero feats you are expending?----Alternately, let's just hit things:Chaotic Neatral Orc1 Ranger 1: (Track, Power Attack) {Favored Enemy, Wild Empathy}2 Barbarian 1: (Fast Movement) {Rage 1/day}3 Barbarian 2: (Cleave, Uncanny Dodge)4 Ranger 2: (Two Weapon Fighting)5 Fighter 1: (Great Cleave)6 Tribal Protector 1: (Exotic Weapon: Spike Chain, Headlong Rush) {Tribal Enemy, Homeland}7 Tribal Protector 2: {Wild Fighting}8 Fighter 2: (Weapon Focus: Spiked Chain)9 Ranger 3: (Endurance, Expertise)10 Divine Champion 1: (Lay on Hands)11 Templar 1: (Weapon Specialization) {Mettle}12 Divine Champion 2: (Improved Trip, Knockdown) {Sacred defense +1}13 Templar 2: {Smite 1/day}14 Templar 3: (Greater Resiliency)15 Templar 4: (Combat reflexes, Expert tactician)16 Planar Champion 1: {Favored Plane}So now you just hit stuff with a chain. Unlike an Orc Fighter, who would have 15 feats, saves of +10/+3/+3 and 38 skill points - you have 19 feats, saves of +21/+12/+5, and 68 skill points. Plus you get a huge pile of special abilities - including the ability to flurry attack and have a smite attack.---So yes, you get more feats, more abilities, more skill points, and more save bonuses by taking a mixed bunch of levels than by taking more levels of Fighter.-Frank</blockquote>

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