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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1128084" data-attributes="member: 14225">Yes and no. While I can show that a 20th level Barbarian moves faster, hits more often, has more hit points and does more damage - I don't think that's what people are looking for out of a comparison.---The thing is, Fighters are not versatile and customizable. They don't have "any bonus feat you want". They have a single feat, every other level, which doesn't change.While the class says:1 Bonus Feat2 Bonus Feat3 4 Bonus Feat5 6 Bonus Feat7 8 Bonus Feat9 10 Bonus Feat11 12 Bonus Feat13 14 Bonus Feat15 16 Bonus Feat17 18 Bonus Feat19 20 Bonus FeatIn reality, a specific Fighter might get:1 Power Attack2 Weapon Focus3 4 Great Cleave5 6 Weapon Specialization7 8 Mounted Combat9 10 Spirited Charge11 12 Improved Initiative13 14 Expertise15 16 Knockdown17 18 Improved Overrun19 20 Improved DisarmLooks a lot less impressive, doesn't it? You don't get to switch your bonus feats. Once you've selected them, they aren't "customizable" at all. So if the Fighter is paying anything for his "customizability" (and he he seems to be), then he's paying too much - because he doesn't actually get to enjoy any of it.Or to put it another way:Sooner or later you are going to want Rapid Shot if you ever intend to fight with a bow. You could take two more levels of Fighter and get Rapid Shot, 4 skill points, and 2 BAB.Or you could take 2 levels of Ranger and get Rapid Shot, 12 skill points, a Favored Enemy Bonus, Track, Wild Empathy, a bonus to your reflex saves, and 2 BAB.As long as you haven't taken 2 levels of Ranger, there's no reason to take 2 more levels of Fighter. And so on, for all the combat classes.---Now, the warrior classes also have their own problems - which is that they also have sharp drop-offs where there's no good reason to take them. The Barbarian, for example, is also half as good per level after level 2 than it is at the beginning. The Ranger and the Paladin don't get good things after level 5.But these classes also start off getting more stuf than the Fighter does. Rage is better than Weapon Focus. By really a whole lot.I don't know. How much do you value Weapon Focus? I think it sucks, and so I am annoyed when a Prestige Class demands that I take it. If you were going to take it anyway (perhaps because you are trying to make use of the Fighter's "ability" to take Weapon Specialization) then that's no cost at all.On the other hand, I really like the 3.5 Endurance feat. And of course it comes with a level that has 6 skill points, which is practically a feat in and of itself. So I really don't mind getting Endurance as a bonus feat instead of not getting a bonus feat like I would be getting from taking Fighter levels (since it comes on an odd level). The fact that it is used as a prereq certainly doesn't make it worse.-Frank</blockquote>

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