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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Norfleet" data-source="post: 1132820" data-attributes="member: 11581">That was entirely not my point: The point is that in order to have a shot at spotting ANYTHING you'd be expected to spot, like a rogue several levels below you, you'd HAVE to max out your skill. If you DIDN'T, it'd be as effective as not having the skill at all, and a hell of a lot less expensive on the points.And yes, losing the race does mean you suck. Whether you can live with that because you were never supposed to be good at it, or whether it represents your complete and utter failure as a person, depends on what you're supposed to be doing. If you are not a marathon runner, then you were never expected to *BE* one, and the fact that you suck at it is, simply, natural. If you ARE supposed to be one, have poured every aspect of your being into mastering it, and yet you still remain utterly inferior at it, then you are a failure, and should either contemplate a change in career, or suicide.Exactly. And since you've never bothered to spend points on it, your shot at detecting him is, frankly, zero. But you know what? If you had bought 5 points of it, burning 10 CC SPs, your shot would STILL be zero. Your chances are equally bad, but at least you haven't paid something for nothing. Although, at the same time, having no ability to spot results in the amusing conclusion that the character is blind as a bat.I concur fully. The way I see it, levels of the fighter class represents focussed martial training in the field of hitting things over and over until they die. Taking only levels of that class leaves you with a character like Fighter of 8Bit. Amusing, but a complete idiot.Many skills are intentionally rigged towards only full ranks being meaningful. Similarly, there are skills where full ranks is meaningless and wasted points, for the opposite reasons: DCs are low and easily overcome by good stats and take-20, because the core usage of skill does not involve use in hostile conditions, and the skill may very well be totally useless under those conditions.</blockquote>

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