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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1133154" data-attributes="member: 14225">Yeah, the Octopus Druid was me. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/blush.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":blush:" title="Blush    :blush:" data-shortname=":blush:" />There's several problems with the solution "just add more good high end feats":1> Diversity. If you put things into chains, then the Fighter is being forced to put his feats into these chains. After all, we are attempting to make these high-end feats justify the class at high levels. Therefore, if the Fighter is not spending all his feats into one of these high-powered chains, he's still underpowered. The versatility of each Fighter character is gone - he's just as one-dimensional in combat style as the Barbarian - but he still has no non-combat schtick and is screwed.2> Multiclassing. If the high end feats are instead regulated by BAB or something that anyone can get - then you are better off waiting until you get to those levels to take Fighter levels at all. The first two levels of Fighter give you two feats, the next two levels of Fighter give you only one. Therefore, if taking feats becomes a better proposition later in your character's life - you are manifestly getting more out of each of your Fighter levels if you take them later than if you take them earlier. Since Barbarian and Paladin levels give you a static bonus when taken early or late (and Ranger levels give you more bonuses when taken early than late), it would be obviously better to take levels other than Fighter until these "super feats" became available than to take Fighter levels straight off.3> Class Concept. If you get access to a superior feat as a class feature, and a bonus feat - you aren't really getting a customizable class feature at all! You are in fact, getting whatever ability that class feature feat gives you as a class feature - and then getting the "option" of trading it for another ability that is explicitly inferior to it (a non-upgraded feat). So you have a class with no custization at all, except that it can trade its mandatory abilities for worse abilities when it goes up in level. That's kind of like how a Rogue has the option of spending all of his skill ranks into cross-classed Knowledge: Poodles - except that to make the metaphor exact the other choice would have to be to have the DM spend all of your skill points for you.So no. Better high-end feats doesn't solve anything and is not a solution in any way shape or form. More feats is a start, but better feats is not.-Frank</blockquote>

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