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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The_DarkAngel" data-source="post: 1138090" data-attributes="member: 14194">Heres a base Point system for you: (feats equaling 5 points a pop):BAB is the same, as well as weapons.Fighter gets: 11 feats plus 5 for his armor equals: 80 points. He his resticted to Fighter Feat only list (and has to meat the presequites to get the feats he wants which is alot easier said then done) but, he can choose WS & GWS & GWF if he takes WF. Note this all counts on ypou not losing your chosen weapon, otherwise your no better than the ol' Ranger in combat if ya lose your stupid sword. Perhaps, and in most cases, your worse then a Ranger if you use loose your chosen weapon.Ranger gets: Combat style (worth 3 feats), Track, Wild Empathy, Endurance, Woodland Stride, Endurance, Hide in plain Sight, Light armor, Shields, Favored enemy (worth 3 feats atleast), Spells (worth 3 atleast), swift tracker, animal companion equals: 95 points.So there we have it (and Im being way, way generous here to the Ranger) The ranger leads by 3 feats minimum and this doesnt even include the following:Granted the Ranger only has 1D8 hit points, he also has 4 skill points per level, and 1 good save bonus over the fighter vs the fighters 1D10 hitpoints. 1D10 hit points does not equal this out or do I really need to break this down in points for you too.Now you can argue that "edurance" isnt a big deal but I can argue yes it is, especially to a Fighter who wants to sleep in his armor because his class depends so much upon it. You can also argue that the "ranger" is a skilled warrior and needs those extra stuff. I agree the Ranger does but, I also think the Fighter shouldnt be so limited, and his class has more than enough room for skill point ajustment and a feat or two and not unbalancing the class.By the way, the accual count to a Ranger vs a fighter in a  point system is Fighter 235, Ranger 285 and the average is suppossed to be 250. Now not ever class is going to match up or be 100% equal. However my point is, that the Fighter could use at minumum a skill point boost, and I 100% believe that there is room to do that without unblancing the classes. Infact, there plenty of room.So in the end Ketjak, I have more than done my homework. The fighter is getting shafted to say the least.DA</blockquote>

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