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<blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 1143356" data-attributes="member: 5171">Since everyone else has already countered most of your arguments, or called you on the fact that your arguments boil down to &quot;nuh-uh&quot;, let me just note that a 1 on a skill check is not always a failure. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />As for whatever point I had being rendered moot, you seem to be in the minority position there.&nbsp; Many other people thought that it was at least worth discussing.&nbsp; But hey, if it might have made you compromise or see another point of view, it wouldn't be as much fun, huh?This is, minor note, what makes me occasionally ditch ENWorld altogether for a week or two.&nbsp; As somebody who attempts to compromise and see other points of view, I inevitably feel as though I'm coming out as the loser in any debate -- because people here seem to think that you don't get XP unless you win without ever ceding a point.I say, &quot;Let's agree that the fighter is a bit better at fighting, and that he gets shafted, relatively speaking, on skills and non-combat class abilities.&nbsp; Why is that?&nbsp; Hey, here's a reason.&nbsp; Maybe this is true for many campaigns.&nbsp; Maybe it's not for yours.&quot;&nbsp; Your response is, &quot;No, the fighter isn't better at all, and no, DMing style has nothing to do with it, the fighter always sucks in every way, shape, and form, regardless of whether your DM throws different types of combats at you or not, regardless of whether your DM alternates between ranged encounters, crowd encounters, environmental-challenge encounters, and straight-up arena fights, the fighter always sucks.&quot;Nice talking to you, LYS.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="takyris, post: 1143356, member: 5171"] Since everyone else has already countered most of your arguments, or called you on the fact that your arguments boil down to "nuh-uh", let me just note that a 1 on a skill check is not always a failure. :) As for whatever point I had being rendered moot, you seem to be in the minority position there. Many other people thought that it was at least worth discussing. But hey, if it might have made you compromise or see another point of view, it wouldn't be as much fun, huh? This is, minor note, what makes me occasionally ditch ENWorld altogether for a week or two. As somebody who attempts to compromise and see other points of view, I inevitably feel as though I'm coming out as the loser in any debate -- because people here seem to think that you don't get XP unless you win without ever ceding a point. I say, "Let's agree that the fighter is a bit better at fighting, and that he gets shafted, relatively speaking, on skills and non-combat class abilities. Why is that? Hey, here's a reason. Maybe this is true for many campaigns. Maybe it's not for yours." Your response is, "No, the fighter isn't better at all, and no, DMing style has nothing to do with it, the fighter always sucks in every way, shape, and form, regardless of whether your DM throws different types of combats at you or not, regardless of whether your DM alternates between ranged encounters, crowd encounters, environmental-challenge encounters, and straight-up arena fights, the fighter always sucks." Nice talking to you, LYS. [/QUOTE]

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