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<blockquote data-quote="Norfleet" data-source="post: 1144774" data-attributes="member: 11581">I tend to agree with Darklone on the matter.The way I see it, using skillful play to overcome a low skill number on a character sheet is no different from using good tactics to overcome a low BAB and damage.Yes, a character with absolutely no ranks can put together an argument as convincing as one from a +23 diplomacy character....who doesn't try. A diplomatic character who goes through the effort to put together an equally good argument will get an even better result.It's no different from a low-level character being able to defeat a tough opponent if he puts together a cunning plan and executes it. It doesn't invalidate the higher level character's levels. The higher level character could have accomplished the same task, with little or no effort. He didn't have to apply himself to the battle. To him, a straight-forward &quot;go and hit the enemy&quot; worked perfectly fine.It's like repairing an automobile: A person with a low repair automobile skill could repair the car....but he'd spend a great deal of time poring through manuals and reading documents on how to fix the damn thing. Of course, accomplishing this would be a learning experience(giving him XPs). A person with a high automobile repair skill simply looks at the car, instantly finds the problem, and fixes it with his eyes closed.High skill ranks in doing something, is, essentially, a crutch. If you have a high skill in it, you don't have to try very hard to do it. It doesn't mean that somebody with a lower ranking couldn't accomplish the same task, if he went that extra mile. Of course, a highly skilled character who goes that extra mile himself can accomplish results that could only be described as magic by the less skilled.And all of this is completely irrelevant to fighters, who like swords.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Norfleet, post: 1144774, member: 11581"] I tend to agree with Darklone on the matter. The way I see it, using skillful play to overcome a low skill number on a character sheet is no different from using good tactics to overcome a low BAB and damage. Yes, a character with absolutely no ranks can put together an argument as convincing as one from a +23 diplomacy character....who doesn't try. A diplomatic character who goes through the effort to put together an equally good argument will get an even better result. It's no different from a low-level character being able to defeat a tough opponent if he puts together a cunning plan and executes it. It doesn't invalidate the higher level character's levels. The higher level character could have accomplished the same task, with little or no effort. He didn't have to apply himself to the battle. To him, a straight-forward "go and hit the enemy" worked perfectly fine. It's like repairing an automobile: A person with a low repair automobile skill could repair the car....but he'd spend a great deal of time poring through manuals and reading documents on how to fix the damn thing. Of course, accomplishing this would be a learning experience(giving him XPs). A person with a high automobile repair skill simply looks at the car, instantly finds the problem, and fixes it with his eyes closed. High skill ranks in doing something, is, essentially, a crutch. If you have a high skill in it, you don't have to try very hard to do it. It doesn't mean that somebody with a lower ranking couldn't accomplish the same task, if he went that extra mile. Of course, a highly skilled character who goes that extra mile himself can accomplish results that could only be described as magic by the less skilled. And all of this is completely irrelevant to fighters, who like swords. [/QUOTE]

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