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<blockquote data-quote="DrSpunj" data-source="post: 1149846" data-attributes="member: 994">This has been an entertaining thread so far, and some good points have been made (as usual) all around. I've seen Crothian's point brought up in similar discussions, and it has some merit. No other core class offers the feat versatility that the Fighter enjoys.&nbsp;However being able to complete 2 or more trees (each of which if taken straight through are easily achievable to any straight-classed Fighter by levels ~6-8, GWF &amp; GWS notwithstanding) means the Fighter essentially gets access to 2+ mid level trees at higher levels.&nbsp;To me that's like telling a Wizard or any other spellcaster, &quot;Hey, good news! After getting a bunch of 4th spells, we're going to let you go back and gain access to a completely different set of spells of levels 0-4 instead of going on to get spells of 5th level or higher! Doesn't that sound great?&quot;&nbsp;I'm still not decided about what I'd like to see to fix that. Higher level feats would be an obvious start. With them I think Fighters would clearly dominate in combat (as I think everyone believes they should, setting aside for the moment individual opinions on whether they do now or not) and giving up the non-combat schtick would then be more tolerable/acceptable.&nbsp;Just my 2 cps. Thanks.&nbsp;DrSpunj</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DrSpunj, post: 1149846, member: 994"] This has been an entertaining thread so far, and some good points have been made (as usual) all around. I've seen Crothian's point brought up in similar discussions, and it has some merit. No other core class offers the feat versatility that the Fighter enjoys. However being able to complete 2 or more trees (each of which if taken straight through are easily achievable to any straight-classed Fighter by levels ~6-8, GWF & GWS notwithstanding) means the Fighter essentially gets access to 2+ mid level trees at higher levels. To me that's like telling a Wizard or any other spellcaster, "Hey, good news! After getting a bunch of 4th spells, we're going to let you go back and gain access to a completely different set of spells of levels 0-4 instead of going on to get spells of 5th level or higher! Doesn't that sound great?" I'm still not decided about what I'd like to see to fix that. Higher level feats would be an obvious start. With them I think Fighters would clearly dominate in combat (as I think everyone believes they should, setting aside for the moment individual opinions on whether they do now or not) and giving up the non-combat schtick would then be more tolerable/acceptable. Just my 2 cps. Thanks. DrSpunj [/QUOTE]

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