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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1150318" data-attributes="member: 14225">Yeah... go back and see the Rock Paper Scissors example.I have seen more than one set-up where people made a Fighter specifically to beat a Barbarian. Similarly, you can make a Ranger, Paladin, or Barbarian to beat a Fighter. Neither proves anything.The point is, that you can make a character with no more than 2 levels of Fighter who fills a straight Fighter's niche in the party better.Just like my Cleric Archer is better than a Fighter Archer - a Barbarian can be a better Greatswordsman, a Paladin can be a better mounted lancer, and a Ranger can be a better multi-purpose diverse situations combatant.The Fighter can be outshined by a build at anything he attempts to put his mind to. And therefore, he's underpowered. A character class, taken exclusively, should be better than any other combination of core classes at something - and for the Fighter that just is not true.BTW: The Paladin really shines in Defensive builds - having an extra +3 (or more) to all saves is a really big deal to a defensive charcater. Not everything is going to attempt attack rolls against you, and the Paladin has more over-all staying power than any Fighter build does.----As to Wizards and multiclassing - yes. Multiclassing for spellcasters sucks, and something should be done about that. That is for another topic, however. As things currently stand, however, our massively multiclassed Fighter/Ranger/Barbarian, while he outshines the straight Fighter in all things - does not actually outshine a Wizard of equal character level in all combats.A Wizard is always going to do better against huge numbers of weak opponents (area damage, and all that) - and often performs better against single powerful opponents (With Save or Die spells). So while the multiclassed spellcaster needs rules alterations to bring them up to speed with single classed spellcasters - the single classed spellcasters wants for nothing in his ability to actually compete with multiclassed warriors.-Frank</blockquote>

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