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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 1150400" data-attributes="member: 1194">1) No, you can't make a Paladin to beat "a" fighter, unless you place a Paladin on his bonded mount, and the Ftr not on any mount.2) No, your statement only holds true if the "role" you're requiring doesn't include lots of feats. With high-feat-requirement builds, lots of Ftr levels are NECESSARY.I don't make high-feat builds, so I can't provide examples.3) So Cleric spells are more powerful than a Ftr - that's no surprise, if you've read my posts, or many discussions here thru the years (seriously, we're on the same side here, thoroughly).A Bbn's skill in using a Greatsword is just too easy to squash now, since his best benefit (Rage) is SO easily taken away by 3.5 no-save spells.How can a Paladin be a better lancer than a Ftr? You must be including his mount in this thought (IOW, only above level 5). Mounted Fighting requires FEATS (and potentially Handle Animal and Ride, both of which are Ftr skills). Ftrs get feats.Ergo, Ftr's make better Mounted Combatters (barring multiclassing).Ranger, I'll leave alone.4) Again, your belief is FLAWED (see below).No matter how many times you say that a Ftr can't be the best at something (compared with other classes), doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.The sheer number of feats, and WS, make the Ftr best at combat effectiveness and flexibility. Very simple.Now, there are 2 things I want to make clear:a) I totally agree with you Frank that Ftrs are underpowered.But I am on record as saying that ALL +1 BAB classes are severely underpowered compared to primary spellcasting classes.I'm not saying the Ftr isn;t screwed: on the contrary, I'm saying he's screwed, and the Paladin is even more screwed.b) Your contention that a straight-classed Ftr should be better than a multiclassed character is FLAWED.Multiclassing is stronger than straight classing.I have no proof for this, but I think it's obvious.I CAN prove to you that a Ftr/Clr is stronger in combat than a Paladin - does that mean the Paladin class is "broken"?Seriously, I'd like an answer to that.edit: oh, yeah - Frank - nice dodge of my previous post.</blockquote>

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