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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 8090903" data-attributes="member: 7635">Thankfully, I haven't seen that kind of reaction in over a decade plus, but I did see it. And you know what it was a reaction to often? Heavily restricted games such as humans only, no pc spellcaster classes, &quot;poverty games&quot; (PCs kept intentionally poor/inferior equipment) or heavily railroaded games. I've seen a lot of resistance to &quot;level 0&quot; PCs as well.Mind you, while I spoke as if I was the DM for all this, I wasn't always. I saw lots of other DMs face this sort of backlash. In my youth, I was even privy to some of it (my tactic of choice though was too have repeated social engagements until said game failed). Anyway, all this is too say you have to be careful with player expectations. Not everyone will buy in (even if they say they will) and just because you said it during session zero doesn't mean everyone accepts it. I find my best games are the ones where I have a variety of options (even if they are not exactly the ones on the PHB) and players can still find ways to play the concept they want within the world laid out for them. But enough of this tangent. We have ability scores in peril!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 8090903, member: 7635"] Thankfully, I haven't seen that kind of reaction in over a decade plus, but I did see it. And you know what it was a reaction to often? Heavily restricted games such as humans only, no pc spellcaster classes, "poverty games" (PCs kept intentionally poor/inferior equipment) or heavily railroaded games. I've seen a lot of resistance to "level 0" PCs as well. Mind you, while I spoke as if I was the DM for all this, I wasn't always. I saw lots of other DMs face this sort of backlash. In my youth, I was even privy to some of it (my tactic of choice though was too have repeated social engagements until said game failed). Anyway, all this is too say you have to be careful with player expectations. Not everyone will buy in (even if they say they will) and just because you said it during session zero doesn't mean everyone accepts it. I find my best games are the ones where I have a variety of options (even if they are not exactly the ones on the PHB) and players can still find ways to play the concept they want within the world laid out for them. But enough of this tangent. We have ability scores in peril! [/QUOTE]

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