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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UltimaGabe" data-source="post: 1619512" data-attributes="member: 16019"><p>I'm afraid you are wrong. The player cannot make a save without rolling. A player doesn't make a save until he picks up the die and rolls it. If he doesn't roll, it doesn't matter what his bonus is- he simply doesn't make the save. If he rolls and makes it, good for him. If he rolls and fails, sucks to be him. If he doesn't roll, he fails. He simply doesn't get out of the way of the Fireball. He puts up no resistance to the Mind Rape spell, and his immune system doesn't stop the poison from affecting him. After all, Saves Bonuses are just that- bonuses. They are added to a die roll. If no die roll is made, the Save bonuses don't get added. Plain and simple.</p></blockquote><p></p>