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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 7358523" data-attributes="member: 23">I was going to name a few examples - Shadow of the Vampire is an tremendous film about filmmaking, and I definitely was going to mention Kubla Khan... but I was in an intermission on my phone during a play, so time was a bit short <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Oh, and of course,&nbsp; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lK4cX5xGiQ" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lK4cX5xGiQ</a>&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> I wanted to be specific to roleplaying games, because that is where the great difficulty lies.&nbsp; There are already games about games - both Munchkin and Talismans are games about gaming, but they aren't RPG games about RPGing.&nbsp; Another good example of games within games would be the various card games withing final fantasy game, or your PC being challenged to a game of chess within an RPG game.&nbsp; This works.Oh I wasn't thinking about long term play, more like an &quot;episode&quot;&nbsp; (a module, a single adventure etc).&nbsp; You totally could have an adventure about a play -heck phantom of the opera could probably be turned in a very decent module by a suitably clever author/DM.&nbsp;&nbsp; But I just can't fathom how to have an RPG about RPGing that isn't mediocre in the extreme.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 7358523, member: 23"] I was going to name a few examples - Shadow of the Vampire is an tremendous film about filmmaking, and I definitely was going to mention Kubla Khan... but I was in an intermission on my phone during a play, so time was a bit short :) Oh, and of course, [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lK4cX5xGiQ[/url] :D :D :D I wanted to be specific to roleplaying games, because that is where the great difficulty lies. There are already games about games - both Munchkin and Talismans are games about gaming, but they aren't RPG games about RPGing. Another good example of games within games would be the various card games withing final fantasy game, or your PC being challenged to a game of chess within an RPG game. This works. Oh I wasn't thinking about long term play, more like an "episode" (a module, a single adventure etc). You totally could have an adventure about a play -heck phantom of the opera could probably be turned in a very decent module by a suitably clever author/DM. But I just can't fathom how to have an RPG about RPGing that isn't mediocre in the extreme. [/QUOTE]

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