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A gathering of Martial Controllers - what do you think
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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7316463" data-attributes="member: 82504"><p>Yes I noticed the feat involved -Plate and Hide are serving analagous top ends with debateable value versus their restriction. The value of a Defender having super high armor class is also debate worth given the goal of getting the enemy to target them <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> so that might be the best argument against needing compensation for less armor, additionally the likeihood of needing improved initiative feats goes down when the dex secondary of the fighter gets pushed. </p><p></p><p>The difference between a primary versus secondary stat is what I took to shows the Fighter is taking an inferior armor to the rogue when he drops to light armor, how inferior? If I build my secondary stat up to be like the rogue is using as his primary... then the fighter looks to me likely to lose to hit AND or tertiary defenses due to stat issues. </p><p></p><p> Ie if they move to hide they are paying a big price and I think are missing an advantage meant for defenders. (Because the defender will get attacked more often ) although perhaps that is an assumption and its supposed to be covered by more healing surges.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Indeed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sneaky little dickens... yes also there could be throw back flavor involved in 1e the Fighter didnt start with plate because he couldnt afford it although it was hands down better.</p><p></p><p> Having a feat cost on it encourages picking it up later even if you do not care about the encumbering effects.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 7316463, member: 82504"] Yes I noticed the feat involved -Plate and Hide are serving analagous top ends with debateable value versus their restriction. The value of a Defender having super high armor class is also debate worth given the goal of getting the enemy to target them ;) so that might be the best argument against needing compensation for less armor, additionally the likeihood of needing improved initiative feats goes down when the dex secondary of the fighter gets pushed. The difference between a primary versus secondary stat is what I took to shows the Fighter is taking an inferior armor to the rogue when he drops to light armor, how inferior? If I build my secondary stat up to be like the rogue is using as his primary... then the fighter looks to me likely to lose to hit AND or tertiary defenses due to stat issues. Ie if they move to hide they are paying a big price and I think are missing an advantage meant for defenders. (Because the defender will get attacked more often ) although perhaps that is an assumption and its supposed to be covered by more healing surges. Indeed. Sneaky little dickens... yes also there could be throw back flavor involved in 1e the Fighter didnt start with plate because he couldnt afford it although it was hands down better. Having a feat cost on it encourages picking it up later even if you do not care about the encumbering effects. [/QUOTE]
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