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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the_myth" data-source="post: 3802802" data-attributes="member: 20081">Actually, the Bards of 1st edition AD&D had druid spells and were known to be allied with Druids.  Also, real world Druids and Bards were parts of the same religion.Your opinion is biased on the last 2 editions of D&D with the Bards alliance with arcane magic.  While it made some sense to make this shift in 2E, there seems to be something...amiss...with Bards in 3E.  I don't think I am alone in thinking it's time for another reboot.Oh, and back in OD&D Eldritch Wizardry/Blackmoor/Chainmail era, Druids were cleric/magic-users with extra shapeshifting powers [I believe they were level 5-7 Cleric and 7-9 MU or something like that...that's why their spell list was primarily made of cleric and wizard spells...later editions went wild making nature-oriented spells for them].  That's how they first appeared.  I think their next appearance was either in Dragon or in the AD&D Player's Handbook.  They were later added to OD&D [in the Companion rules? I think it was the Green Box] as an option for high-level Clerics [someone described this earlier].if the Cleric is built differently [perhaps inspired from the ideas in 2E Skills & Powers] we should be able to build a Cleric just as Primitive Screwhead described above...and have every last one of them balanced!  Thus, a Cleric taking the Druid route would gain nature knowledge, shapeshifting powers, and perks with nature spells.  A Crusader could focus on weaponds and armor skill.  Et cetera.</blockquote>

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