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Message: <blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 9511010" data-attributes="member: 6785785">Sure, there are rules that interact with this kind of thing. Spells and such. But I have no info on what level the PCs are or any of that, so no way of knowing if these are relevant. But the cost of a spell that comes back when you rest seems pretty insignificant. That’s why I’d happily take the idea and run with it. Also, I like when divine beings and warlock patrons are more than just a “fill in this blank on your character sheet”. This is a chance for me to roleplay Odin. And everyone’s on board! Why dismiss that opportunity out of hand? I didn’t say the player invented Odin. Pretty sure the Norse did that! So no way to connect this maguffin to Ragnarok to explain Odin’s interest? This is the first you’ve mentioned of a lich, but I don’t see how that must be a mortal only concern. “Hel’s touch is upon the world. The natural order of things is upended.” Seems like more ways to connect this to Ragnarok. To me this reads as “Go away… the DM has already determined how this problem of yours may be addressed and I have nothing to do with it.”Which is perfectly fine if that’s the case. But of there’s more to it, it’d be good to get to that. If there’s not, it’d be cool if we could acknowledge that it’s the case. I think you’re ignoring the cost involved. As I said, I’d want and expect it to be meaningful. That’s not the same as the divine intervention ability or any other spell. Also… we talked about Odin telling them the location of the item. How is that “solving all problems”? “Here it is. It’s in the caldera of a volcano, surrounded by effreet and fire elementals and salamanders. Have fun, kid!”All he’s doing is telling them where it is… which is something I imagine the DM expects to happen at some point, right? So what’s the problem?You responded to post 1570. That led us here. I’m not asking why your car isn’t like a motorcycle, I’m asking you why you prefer cars to motorcycles. You don’t have to be so hostile toward the discussion. Is it omnipotence to break through a divination ward? I mean… PCs become capable of that at some point, no? And if there was such a ward that blocked Odin… wouldn’t he likely take an interest? Wouldn’t his paranoia about Ragnarok make him worry that something was going on that was being hidden specifically from him? Except that’s not what I suggested. I suggested some information… the location of the maguffin… in exchange for a meaningful cost. I didn’t suggest that Odin hand over the maguffin at no cost. All I suggested was providing something that I expect was going to be provided at some point in play… or was this maguffin never meant to be found?Yeah… make sure these uppity players know who’s the boss!!And people wonder why there’s push back against this!</blockquote>

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