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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9511767" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Back in 3E there was a spell called &quot;Miracle&quot; which could potentially exceed the granted powers of a cleric.&nbsp; That's now been replaced by Greater Divine Intervention, the 20th level cleric ability that lets you cast Wish.&nbsp; But even wish has limitations if you use it for something other than casting a spell and it comes with a risk of never being able to use Wish again.Beyond that though, I've never run deities as being 100% omniscient because in a pantheon with such divergent goals and opposing deities I don't see how they could be.&nbsp; Odin should know that the giants are about to invade, or that Svaðilfari had a magic steed that could help him build Asgard's wall in time to complete the contract.&nbsp; But there are all sorts of stories of enemies being disguised, surprises happening and so on.&nbsp; That just doesn't jive with an omnipotent all knowing being to me.So yes, even Odin can't see something that's been protected because while he has no limit on how often he can scry, even his knowledge is limited.&nbsp; You don't have to run it that way, but it seems to leave plot holes on a regular basis to me if you don't.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9511767, member: 6801845"] Back in 3E there was a spell called "Miracle" which could potentially exceed the granted powers of a cleric. That's now been replaced by Greater Divine Intervention, the 20th level cleric ability that lets you cast Wish. But even wish has limitations if you use it for something other than casting a spell and it comes with a risk of never being able to use Wish again. Beyond that though, I've never run deities as being 100% omniscient because in a pantheon with such divergent goals and opposing deities I don't see how they could be. Odin should know that the giants are about to invade, or that Svaðilfari had a magic steed that could help him build Asgard's wall in time to complete the contract. But there are all sorts of stories of enemies being disguised, surprises happening and so on. That just doesn't jive with an omnipotent all knowing being to me. So yes, even Odin can't see something that's been protected because while he has no limit on how often he can scry, even his knowledge is limited. You don't have to run it that way, but it seems to leave plot holes on a regular basis to me if you don't. [/QUOTE]

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