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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9514571" data-attributes="member: 42582">Not only am I talking from a perspective of D&D, but I've posted actual play examples from D&D play!There is more in D&D than is dreamed of in some people's philosophies!I GMed my first session of 4e D&D in early (Jan or Feb) 2009. At that point in time Apocalypse World had not been published, nor any of the games derived from or influenced by it. I had never read nor played Prince Valiant - as I've posted before, my copy of Prince Valiant is from the Kickstarter that took place some time in the past decade (2016 might have been when it started?). And while I don't recall when I first read Burning Wheel - though I think it was after 2009 - I did not play it until 2014: <a href="https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/burning-wheel-first-burning-wheel-session.736425/" target="_blank">[Burning Wheel] First Burning Wheel session | Roleplaying Actual Play</a>The first action declaration I recall in my 4e game, in which a PC called on the power of their god to aid them, was in a fight with an undead (maybe a wight?) in what would have been, from memory, the fourth or fifth session. So some time in the first half of 2009. I resolved it using the rules of the game (including extrapolation from the guidelines on p 42).It's simply not true that D&D play precludes this sort of thing, or breaks down if it is incorporated.</blockquote>