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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7568315" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>How the thread starts is not necessarily how discourse proceeds. And in this case, a new branch of discussion opened from Lanefan expressing vexation that "saying no" has somehow become unpopular, which I don't think that it has. Less popular maybe, particularly among indie games, but certainly not unpopular. </p><p></p><p>In my own reading, I don't think that is the case. You may be making too much of too little offense, while also ignoring those with carry similar mentalities who are debating against pemerton. Though I also think that [MENTION=1282]darkbard[/MENTION] also has a good take on this situation. </p><p></p><p>Most definitely, which ties back into my point that you quoted. SYORTD is a principle oriented towards a different play emphasis than games focused on player-skill overcoming puzzles. </p><p></p><p>I would suggest returning to my earlier analogy of Pandemic and Monopoly for a better idea of what I am talking about here. </p><p></p><p>It's odd to me that you are again wanting to create "exceptionalism" for D&D's design where you ascribe D&D as having "many different playstyles," but other games as having only "one" playstyle. Maybe though I am misunderstanding you, and you are not describing all non-D&D games but only a smaller subset of non-D&D games. That said, based upon what I have read and seen about these early days of D&D, these other playstyles may have arisen as an unintended but then swiftly capitalized upon once Gygax et al. realized the versatility of their rules set. I think D&D is less open than you suggest and that there are other games are more open than you suggest. So your reading seems to lack any nuance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7568315, member: 5142"] How the thread starts is not necessarily how discourse proceeds. And in this case, a new branch of discussion opened from Lanefan expressing vexation that "saying no" has somehow become unpopular, which I don't think that it has. Less popular maybe, particularly among indie games, but certainly not unpopular. In my own reading, I don't think that is the case. You may be making too much of too little offense, while also ignoring those with carry similar mentalities who are debating against pemerton. Though I also think that [MENTION=1282]darkbard[/MENTION] also has a good take on this situation. Most definitely, which ties back into my point that you quoted. SYORTD is a principle oriented towards a different play emphasis than games focused on player-skill overcoming puzzles. I would suggest returning to my earlier analogy of Pandemic and Monopoly for a better idea of what I am talking about here. It's odd to me that you are again wanting to create "exceptionalism" for D&D's design where you ascribe D&D as having "many different playstyles," but other games as having only "one" playstyle. Maybe though I am misunderstanding you, and you are not describing all non-D&D games but only a smaller subset of non-D&D games. That said, based upon what I have read and seen about these early days of D&D, these other playstyles may have arisen as an unintended but then swiftly capitalized upon once Gygax et al. realized the versatility of their rules set. I think D&D is less open than you suggest and that there are other games are more open than you suggest. So your reading seems to lack any nuance. [/QUOTE]
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