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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7571640" data-attributes="member: 23751">So first, it's good that a PC can fail in something important.  I often learn more about my characters from their failures, than their successes.  Second, I agree with you that if the DM was like, "Hehehe.  I'm going to throw a death knight in front of him now," that would be bad DMing.  However, if the death knight came up randomly, or if it had been pre-planned, I would want that death knight to show up regardless of my PC's oath.  I understand that in some systems things are not random and/or pre-determined like that, but I've been discussing D&D in this thread, so that's the stand point that I'm looking at it from.Even in the dungeon crawl, the DM can choose encounters, treasure and the like.  From 1e on the DM has had the rule given ability to ignore the dice or not to go to the dice at all and just decide things.  Sure, the base dungeon making rules contained random tables for monsters, but that didn't stop the DM from deciding that the next room has a roper.  Even following the random dungeon tables, I don't see much issue with the oaths.  Unless you are spending your entire career inside that dungeon, or some massive series of dungeons, you will eventually find yourself outside where you can encounter the creatures you seek.  You can even research where to find them and seek them out.</blockquote>