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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 7571875">I do want to address this seriously because I think it is an important point. I have definitely been involved in online debates about RPGs. I am a gamer. Gamer's get passionate. But something I realized over time with all this: none of the camps are really going anywhere. You can have a million 'how to fight a forgist threads" a million threads questioning immersion or sandbox play; all of the people who belong to those things, they are not going away just because someone scored points on an internet forum. All I've seen over the years with these flamewars is people dividing themselves into increasingly smaller camps, with less and less reach. I think most gamers, probably don't care as much as we do about these conflicts. And I think it is always better to get information from the horse's mouth. These days, rather than check out a 'how to fight a forgist' thread, I'd be much more interesting in checking out Ron Edwards youtube channel to get his viewpoints (and again for the record, I have always maintained my small number of interactions with him have always been positive, I don't have an issue with Ron Edwards personally and find him to be a charismatic and intelligent person). I think with the Forge, where it rubbed me the wrong way in the past, was aggressive forge defenders needling me on a playstyle preference in threads and just some of the concepts not really resonating that strongly with me (for whatever reason). But I don't think either of those things are a valid reason for me to assume things about other people who found use in the forge, or to lump all 'forgists' together. And I think if you look at most of my posts in recent years on theRPGsite, you will see I do try to make that distinction (though like most posters, I have my moments as well).EDIT: Also just as a personal note, if there is anything I said in that thread on fighting forgists that you personally found insulting, let me know. I do admit I get annoyed at you sometimes, but I don’t hate you or anything. I am happy to apologize if I said something nasty or reconsider if I said something you think is inaccurate. I am looking at the thread now and in the first twenty pages or so I don’t seem to say anything too objectionable (I actually compliment you and I make the same point about the forge I made a few posts back). But it is a long thread and so haven’t reviewed it all yet.</blockquote>

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