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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7576125" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>I don't think that there are 3 types. I think that there are only 2. The first type you mention I don't think exists. No matter what level of authority a DM has, some will like it and some won't, and opinions will vary on how much is appropriate and how it should be used. That leaves us your number 2 and 3 as the only types out there. </p><p></p><p>"Mother May I" and "Railroad" DMs abuse their authority and most think those are bad. The rest want to discuss the grey area that's left.</p><p></p><p>The OP may have wanted to discuss the kind of game that falls into the grey area, but by inviting people to discuss things using the pejorative "Mother May I," even if it isn't how HE would refer to the games, he caused the discussion to devolve into hundreds of pages of arguing over the term and how it should not be applied to the playstyles people are trying to apply it to. People have strong feelings about the kinds of games they like being insulted by such terms. The OP should have said that he wanted to discuss X, and that no pejorative terms should be used in the discussion as they just cause problems and derail threads.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't say "doesn't always exercise that power." What I sad was "doesn't exercise that power." There''s a big difference between the two. Yours involves at least some instances of the DM railroading the players. Mine involves no such abuses, yet was still being called "Mother May I."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As I mentioned in another recent response, during background I let the players come up with towns, NPCs, and sometime monsters if done well. During game play not so much, but it's not 100% unheard of and usually pertains to background that hasn't been fully fleshed out. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Such a mismatch is generally solved by leaving the game and finding players or a DM that matches your expectations. Occasionally, the players or DM can change and still enjoy the game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree with that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7576125, member: 23751"] I don't think that there are 3 types. I think that there are only 2. The first type you mention I don't think exists. No matter what level of authority a DM has, some will like it and some won't, and opinions will vary on how much is appropriate and how it should be used. That leaves us your number 2 and 3 as the only types out there. "Mother May I" and "Railroad" DMs abuse their authority and most think those are bad. The rest want to discuss the grey area that's left. The OP may have wanted to discuss the kind of game that falls into the grey area, but by inviting people to discuss things using the pejorative "Mother May I," even if it isn't how HE would refer to the games, he caused the discussion to devolve into hundreds of pages of arguing over the term and how it should not be applied to the playstyles people are trying to apply it to. People have strong feelings about the kinds of games they like being insulted by such terms. The OP should have said that he wanted to discuss X, and that no pejorative terms should be used in the discussion as they just cause problems and derail threads. I didn't say "doesn't always exercise that power." What I sad was "doesn't exercise that power." There''s a big difference between the two. Yours involves at least some instances of the DM railroading the players. Mine involves no such abuses, yet was still being called "Mother May I." As I mentioned in another recent response, during background I let the players come up with towns, NPCs, and sometime monsters if done well. During game play not so much, but it's not 100% unheard of and usually pertains to background that hasn't been fully fleshed out. Such a mismatch is generally solved by leaving the game and finding players or a DM that matches your expectations. Occasionally, the players or DM can change and still enjoy the game. I agree with that. [/QUOTE]
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