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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7576729" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>What I am saying is that categories 1 and 3 are the same category. Right now, my game is category 1. If [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] were to join my game, it wouldn't work for him and I would go into your category 3, even though I didn't change anything about my game. Subjectivity controls whether games work or partially work. Category 2 involves those games that are Railroad, "Mother May I"(if it exists outside of a white room, and other games that involve bad DMing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] is not the only one using the term in this thread, and it really should have been dropped as a term immediately when people began taking offense at the pejorative. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, I get that. There are other systems or the ability to modify the system, though, so it's all good. If they are in a game with a group that doesn't want to alter the system or change systems, then they should seek other games where they can get what they want. What they should not do is insult the system and/or playstyle that they don't like.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's it! you're fired! </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So as I said before, I don't stop actions in game. The action would happen and then I would speak to the player outside of the game about metagaming. Most probably, I'd see if there was some in game way for him to have that knowledge so that it's not even an issue. 5e is good like that in that all PCs have all skills, so the PC would have some level of monster lore to roll against. Perhaps his home town was near to a swamp where trolls would be common, and therefore so is the knowledge of trolls, which would get rid of even the need to roll. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not the DM being a jerk. What it is, is the DM and the players not being on the same page as to the style of game. If that many players are at odds with the DM on the style of game being played, they need to go their separate ways and find people who are more compatible. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That wasn't an example of "Mother May I," though. Even if the DM denied the action in game due to metagaming, that's just a ruling about what is allowed and not allowed in game play. Denial does not automatically equal "Mother May I."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7576729, member: 23751"] What I am saying is that categories 1 and 3 are the same category. Right now, my game is category 1. If [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] were to join my game, it wouldn't work for him and I would go into your category 3, even though I didn't change anything about my game. Subjectivity controls whether games work or partially work. Category 2 involves those games that are Railroad, "Mother May I"(if it exists outside of a white room, and other games that involve bad DMing. [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] is not the only one using the term in this thread, and it really should have been dropped as a term immediately when people began taking offense at the pejorative. Sure, I get that. There are other systems or the ability to modify the system, though, so it's all good. If they are in a game with a group that doesn't want to alter the system or change systems, then they should seek other games where they can get what they want. What they should not do is insult the system and/or playstyle that they don't like. That's it! you're fired! So as I said before, I don't stop actions in game. The action would happen and then I would speak to the player outside of the game about metagaming. Most probably, I'd see if there was some in game way for him to have that knowledge so that it's not even an issue. 5e is good like that in that all PCs have all skills, so the PC would have some level of monster lore to roll against. Perhaps his home town was near to a swamp where trolls would be common, and therefore so is the knowledge of trolls, which would get rid of even the need to roll. It's not the DM being a jerk. What it is, is the DM and the players not being on the same page as to the style of game. If that many players are at odds with the DM on the style of game being played, they need to go their separate ways and find people who are more compatible. That wasn't an example of "Mother May I," though. Even if the DM denied the action in game due to metagaming, that's just a ruling about what is allowed and not allowed in game play. Denial does not automatically equal "Mother May I." [/QUOTE]
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