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A GMing telling the players about the gameworld is not like real life
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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 7576906" data-attributes="member: 6785785"><p>No, they’re different. There are games where everyone is satisfied with the style of play. There are games where some people are satisfied with the style of play, or where all the players are sometimes satisfied with the style of play. </p><p></p><p>Yes, an individual’s decision about a game...if it’s satisfactory or not or partially so...is subjective. What I was saying is that objectively there are three categories of game...satisfactory, non-satisfactory, and partially satisfactory. That’s objectively true.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it didn’t need to be dropped. People can choose to take offense at anything. There are rules on these boards, but I don’t think they were violated. There’s also standard etiquette, but I don’t think that using a loaded term about a RPG should really rise to the level of offense. </p><p></p><p>There has been a discussion about the term and what it means, and that’s good. And you don’t like the term, and that’s fine, too. You’re as entitled to your opinion as anyone else. But I’d be willing to bet that the number of times MMI was actually used pejoratively is far less than your posts rallying against it. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fair enough. I don’t think nearly as much insult was intended as has been taken. Certainly not in the original OP that spawned this thread. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>An in game reason was given. The character’s uncle told him about trolls. There’s no need for anything further. </p><p></p><p>Any further action does move toward a Mother May I situation. The player is not allowed to make such decisions but has to ask for the DM’s approval. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In my opinion, a DM who so blatantly ignores cues about what kind of play his players are interested very well may be a jerk. There could be other reasons for it...perhaps he’s just clueless or something. But I’d take a cue like that and tailor my game accordingly if that were me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. Yes it does. This is a strong example of Mother May I. You’ve even described it as such without using the term. “That’s just a ruling about what is allowed and not allowed in game play.”</p><p></p><p>Who made the ruling? The DM. And why? To overrule the player’s input that his character knows trolls are vulnerable to fire because of his Uncle Elmo.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 7576906, member: 6785785"] No, they’re different. There are games where everyone is satisfied with the style of play. There are games where some people are satisfied with the style of play, or where all the players are sometimes satisfied with the style of play. Yes, an individual’s decision about a game...if it’s satisfactory or not or partially so...is subjective. What I was saying is that objectively there are three categories of game...satisfactory, non-satisfactory, and partially satisfactory. That’s objectively true. No, it didn’t need to be dropped. People can choose to take offense at anything. There are rules on these boards, but I don’t think they were violated. There’s also standard etiquette, but I don’t think that using a loaded term about a RPG should really rise to the level of offense. There has been a discussion about the term and what it means, and that’s good. And you don’t like the term, and that’s fine, too. You’re as entitled to your opinion as anyone else. But I’d be willing to bet that the number of times MMI was actually used pejoratively is far less than your posts rallying against it. Fair enough. I don’t think nearly as much insult was intended as has been taken. Certainly not in the original OP that spawned this thread. An in game reason was given. The character’s uncle told him about trolls. There’s no need for anything further. Any further action does move toward a Mother May I situation. The player is not allowed to make such decisions but has to ask for the DM’s approval. In my opinion, a DM who so blatantly ignores cues about what kind of play his players are interested very well may be a jerk. There could be other reasons for it...perhaps he’s just clueless or something. But I’d take a cue like that and tailor my game accordingly if that were me. Yes. Yes it does. This is a strong example of Mother May I. You’ve even described it as such without using the term. “That’s just a ruling about what is allowed and not allowed in game play.” Who made the ruling? The DM. And why? To overrule the player’s input that his character knows trolls are vulnerable to fire because of his Uncle Elmo. [/QUOTE]
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