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A GMing telling the players about the gameworld is not like real life
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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7577456" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>The point is a valid one. Steal $100 or steal $100,000, both are bad. Sure, it's a matter of degree, but it's a matter of degree between two bad things.</p><p></p><p>I said "veteran players" for a reason. If you've played D&D for any significant length of time, you know trolls are vulnerable to fire. For a veteran player to come up with an excuse why his character knows that is perfectly fine in my game. I can understand why it may not be for your game. But doing so means that such authority is in the hands of the DM. Which may or may not be a bad thing, depending on what the DM and players want from the game. D&D is meant to be a largely DM driven game, so I don't think it would typically be a problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So I'm going to counter with the players being the jerks. They went into a game knowing that the DM doesn't allow metagaming and by virtue of sitting down to play, they agreed to those terms. Going back on it later with the troll is fairly jerkish behavior.</p><p></p><p>And once again, denial does not equate to "Mother May I." </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Metagaming being out of character knowledge being brought into the game is the standard(by far the most common) definition. Sure, you'll get corner cases like [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] who like to try and redefine things to fit their narratives, but that doesn't work and just ends up causing arguments. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To be honest, it's a pejorative no matter what your intent behind the use, so I really don't care why you are using it. It's a term that does not belong in civil conversation. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If he allows some metagaming, he allows metagaming. You either allow it(in whole or in part) or you do not. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Theft is theft. Cheating is cheating. Metagaming is metagaming. A difference in degree does not change that for me. If someone altered 1 die roll, and another person metagamed the module, I would treat them both the same. They would get their one warning and the next instance of cheating would be their last at a game that I run.</p><p></p><p>Since you seem to feel that degree matters, and metagaming a troll is okay, but metagaming a module is not, where do you draw the line? At what point does metagaming become cheating for you?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7577456, member: 23751"] The point is a valid one. Steal $100 or steal $100,000, both are bad. Sure, it's a matter of degree, but it's a matter of degree between two bad things. I said "veteran players" for a reason. If you've played D&D for any significant length of time, you know trolls are vulnerable to fire. For a veteran player to come up with an excuse why his character knows that is perfectly fine in my game. I can understand why it may not be for your game. But doing so means that such authority is in the hands of the DM. Which may or may not be a bad thing, depending on what the DM and players want from the game. D&D is meant to be a largely DM driven game, so I don't think it would typically be a problem. So I'm going to counter with the players being the jerks. They went into a game knowing that the DM doesn't allow metagaming and by virtue of sitting down to play, they agreed to those terms. Going back on it later with the troll is fairly jerkish behavior. And once again, denial does not equate to "Mother May I." Metagaming being out of character knowledge being brought into the game is the standard(by far the most common) definition. Sure, you'll get corner cases like [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] who like to try and redefine things to fit their narratives, but that doesn't work and just ends up causing arguments. To be honest, it's a pejorative no matter what your intent behind the use, so I really don't care why you are using it. It's a term that does not belong in civil conversation. If he allows some metagaming, he allows metagaming. You either allow it(in whole or in part) or you do not. Theft is theft. Cheating is cheating. Metagaming is metagaming. A difference in degree does not change that for me. If someone altered 1 die roll, and another person metagamed the module, I would treat them both the same. They would get their one warning and the next instance of cheating would be their last at a game that I run. Since you seem to feel that degree matters, and metagaming a troll is okay, but metagaming a module is not, where do you draw the line? At what point does metagaming become cheating for you? [/QUOTE]
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