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A GMing telling the players about the gameworld is not like real life
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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7577652" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>I think that it's fine to show that something is inappropriate. However, a dictionary entry for the definition for 'rationalization' is neither relevant nor demonstrates how what you describe is inappropriate. You actually have to make an argument using reason and <em>connected</em> support that works in your favor. A dangling dictionary definition is just lazy. If you had not included it, then nothing about your argumentative thrust would have changed nor does it add any argumentative weight to what you wrote. </p><p></p><p>And this says nothing about whether your claim actually has merit. I think that if you are roleplaying a character and you are not rationalizing the knowledge, then you've failed at roleplaying. A critical part of roleplay, IMHO, would require that the principal actor rationalize the character's thoughts, actions, and behaviors. If you succeed at making any given Intellect/knowledge check, whether of your own provoking or DM telling you to roll, then the actor is forced to rationalize their character's knowledge that they somehow know. But the idea that the actor can't possess character knowledge unless the actor succeeds at a roll leads to some odd situations. I know that many players have buckled against DMs telling the player how their character feels, but it's also odd that a DM could tell a character what they know or don't as if somehow knowledge and feelings were truly distinct cognitive categories. </p><p></p><p>How is "metagaming" not a pejorative when "it's a defined act that [you] view as cheating" and has decidedly negative connotations? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /> Since you prefer to use dictionaries for your arguments, perhaps you should consult one for the term 'pejorative' and how consider how 'metagaming' is used in the parole of TTRPG discussions. And how do you not recognize the metnal gymnastics you are doing for "metagaming" and "railroading" here? Oedipus blinded himself, but he still knew what he had done. But you seem to have blinded yourself so that you can delude yourself into ignorance of what you are doing here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7577652, member: 5142"] I think that it's fine to show that something is inappropriate. However, a dictionary entry for the definition for 'rationalization' is neither relevant nor demonstrates how what you describe is inappropriate. You actually have to make an argument using reason and [I]connected[/I] support that works in your favor. A dangling dictionary definition is just lazy. If you had not included it, then nothing about your argumentative thrust would have changed nor does it add any argumentative weight to what you wrote. And this says nothing about whether your claim actually has merit. I think that if you are roleplaying a character and you are not rationalizing the knowledge, then you've failed at roleplaying. A critical part of roleplay, IMHO, would require that the principal actor rationalize the character's thoughts, actions, and behaviors. If you succeed at making any given Intellect/knowledge check, whether of your own provoking or DM telling you to roll, then the actor is forced to rationalize their character's knowledge that they somehow know. But the idea that the actor can't possess character knowledge unless the actor succeeds at a roll leads to some odd situations. I know that many players have buckled against DMs telling the player how their character feels, but it's also odd that a DM could tell a character what they know or don't as if somehow knowledge and feelings were truly distinct cognitive categories. How is "metagaming" not a pejorative when "it's a defined act that [you] view as cheating" and has decidedly negative connotations? :confused: Since you prefer to use dictionaries for your arguments, perhaps you should consult one for the term 'pejorative' and how consider how 'metagaming' is used in the parole of TTRPG discussions. And how do you not recognize the metnal gymnastics you are doing for "metagaming" and "railroading" here? Oedipus blinded himself, but he still knew what he had done. But you seem to have blinded yourself so that you can delude yourself into ignorance of what you are doing here. [/QUOTE]
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