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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7578297" data-attributes="member: 42582">Differences of preference are not a disconnect. I'm not misunderstanding what  [MENTION=29398]Lanefan[/MENTION] is posting.  [MENTION=29398]Lanefan[/MENTION] perhaps doesn't understand some of my posts (and some others') because he seems not to appreciate the difference between a player move that obliges the GM to reveal some pre-established backstory (eg Bardic Legend Lore, a Commune spell, etc) and a player move that obliges the GM to author some new, immediately relevant, fiction (eg DW's Spout Lore move).I'm not good, for two reasons.(1) In DW, a player doesn't declare Spout Lore (either -as-player or -as-PC, whatever exactly that means).Here is the relevant rule (DW rulebook, p 18):Moves are rules that tell you when they trigger and what effect they have. A move depends on a fictional action and always has some fictional effect.So players don't declare moves in DW. They describe what their PCs are doing in the fiction. And this can then trigger moves. For instance (as per p 66), Spout Lore is triggered if a player declares that his/her PC "consult<s> [his/her] accumulated knowledge about something".</s><s></s><s>(2) In DW, the information provided is new to player and GM, and is authored by the GM based on a sense of current narrative trajectory: in particular, it should build on past GM moves as well as player intent (that is what makes it interestingand useful).</s><s></s><s>In D&D, the assumption is that the information is already established by the GM in advance of play. And if the GM find him-/herself having to ad lib, the assumption is that this will be done as much as possible as if it were an organic outgrowth of what is already recorded in the GM's notes.</s><s></s><s>For the same resaon that plagiarism is academic wrongdoing.</s><s></s><s>For the same reason that I enjoy playing mediocre guitar, but don't really enjoy listening to others play mediocre guitar.</s><s></s><s>For the same reason that people got to life drawing classes on weekends.</s><s></s><s>Creativity is a human talent , and creating things is a human pleasure. And for this reason (perhaps others too, but it's the one that I'm focusing on at the momennt), creating a fiction togehter with your friends is different from having one of them tell you a story.</s><s></s><s>There's no difference in the content of the fictionbetween the fiction generated in my last session of Traveller, and me writing a short story about some adventurers on a planet, some of whom get captured but then escape first by stealing a gun and then by stealing some powered armour from their captors.</s><s></s><s>But the different in play is pretty obvious.</s><s></s><s>The difference, at the table, between the GM telling me a story and the GM responding to my creative inputs is important. And, I can tell you from experience, is also obvious in play.</s><s></s><s>EDIT: I thought I'd add that another difference, besides creativity, is exciting. Learning what the GM has decided will happen to my PC is not as exciting as finding out with the GM what happens to my PC. And, as a GM, this excitement difference obtains in exactly the same way as for a player.</s></blockquote>

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