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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7582294" data-attributes="member: 97077">I would say you're adding to the D&amp;D 5e's definition of &quot;metagame thinking.&quot; Taken as a whole, the DM is told to discourage &quot;metagame thinking&quot; because it can lead the players to getting their characters killed (by assuming the DM would not throw powerful monsters at lower-levels PCs) or wasting valuable session time (by over-exploring an otherwise normal door they thought the DM took longer than usual to describe). It has little to do with the sort of &quot;metagaming&quot; you and others deride. It even suggests you give the a gentle reminder &quot;What do your characters think?&quot; Well, my character thinks fire hurts trolls!Here's how I discourage &quot;metagame thinking&quot; in my D&amp;D 5e games (from my table rules document): &quot;'Metagaming,' defined here as using player skill or knowledge that a character might not necessarily have, is fine as long as it's fun for everyone and helps contribute to an exciting, memorable story. Assumptions can be risky though so it's skillful play to verify your assumptions through in-game actions before making choices based on them.&quot;So, sure, go right ahead and hit that troll with fire. You just better pray that I didn't change the stat block (<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?488561-How-to-Defeat-the-Forum-Troll" target="_blank">which I frequently do</a>) and I hope you were listening when I telegraphed that this troll is different. Discouraging it by explicitly or implicitly saying &quot;You can't take that action because I've arbitrarily decided your character doesn't know about trolls' weaknesses&quot; goes against the rules about a player deciding how his or her character thinks and acts. And anyway, if the character needs a justification for that action, the player can just apply the process that @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=42582" target="_blank">pemerton</a> outlined which is exceedingly easy to do on the fly, e.g. &quot;My dear Aunt Sally told me about fire killing trolls in nursery rhymes.&quot; (The character was raised Aunt Sally because adventurers' parents are always killed, obviously. Probably by trolls.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7582294, member: 97077"] I would say you're adding to the D&D 5e's definition of "metagame thinking." Taken as a whole, the DM is told to discourage "metagame thinking" because it can lead the players to getting their characters killed (by assuming the DM would not throw powerful monsters at lower-levels PCs) or wasting valuable session time (by over-exploring an otherwise normal door they thought the DM took longer than usual to describe). It has little to do with the sort of "metagaming" you and others deride. It even suggests you give the a gentle reminder "What do your [I]characters [/I]think?" Well, my character thinks fire hurts trolls! Here's how I discourage "metagame thinking" in my D&D 5e games (from my table rules document): "'Metagaming,' defined here as using player skill or knowledge that a character might not necessarily have, is [I]fine [/I]as long as it's fun for everyone and helps contribute to an exciting, memorable story. Assumptions can be risky though so it's skillful play to verify your assumptions through in-game actions before making choices based on them." So, sure, go right ahead and hit that troll with fire. You just better pray that I didn't change the stat block ([URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?488561-How-to-Defeat-the-Forum-Troll"]which I frequently do[/URL]) and I hope you were listening when I telegraphed that this troll is different. Discouraging it by explicitly or implicitly saying "You can't take that action because I've arbitrarily decided your character doesn't know about trolls' weaknesses" goes against the rules about a player deciding how his or her character thinks and acts. And anyway, if the character needs a justification for that action, the player can just apply the process that @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=42582"]pemerton[/URL][/U][/B][/I] outlined which is exceedingly easy to do on the fly, e.g. "My dear Aunt Sally told me about fire killing trolls in nursery rhymes." (The character was raised Aunt Sally because adventurers' parents are always killed, obviously. Probably by trolls.) [/QUOTE]

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