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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8019397" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>Protection of one's kin is certainly a good role for such a god.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It is disrespectful to call Black people "Blacks".</p><p></p><p>This is a direct misrepresentation of what the other person said, and is an attempt to derail the thread. I've no clue why you are so aggressively dedicated to getting into everyone's face with your reactionary anger at the thought of people being critical about the content of DnD, but leave it to the threads dedicated to that discussion.</p><p></p><p>Minor quibble, i don't think Orc-Odin would want any such thing as the orcs being so angry all the time. He is the god of Fury, on and off the battlefield. Odin is the source of both poetic inspiration and battle-frenzy, which are seen as essentially the same thing with different expressions. </p><p></p><p>That said, I agree that having gods with overlapping domains that are in conflict over the aspects of those domains, like the War siblings in Theros or their inspiration Athena and Ares, is a good thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, the god has an alignment just like any character.</p><p></p><p>Is Deneir pidgeonholed, or is he analogous to a minor saint? A patron of a specific task or endeavor, with overlap with a more prominent saint. I disagree completely with the idea that having both does any sort of disservice the the pantheon.</p><p></p><p>Deneir isn't necessary NG because the act of physically recording knowledge is NG (though I think it is reasonable to conclude that it is), but because the gods of FR are <em>characters</em> and characters have alignments, and his is NG. Just like different gods of death have had different alignments, a different god of scribes might easily have a different alignment.</p><p></p><p>So, two characters from recent media come to mind reading this, and because of the recent protests and what sparked them it may be no surprise that what you've written makes me think about Black characters who are enraged and speak to the need to destroy the system of oppression in order to move past it. </p><p></p><p>The first I have to include with a warning. The language is very NSFW, and rather uncomfortable. It's one of the best scenes from American Gods, when Anansi (Mr Nancy) convinces a ship full of African captives to rise up and kill every single Dutch m-fer on the ship, and burn it. </p><p></p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/Rg2jbFteS-U" target="_blank">Anansi Speech</a> </p><p></p><p>The second requires no warning, it's just Killmonger from Black Panther. Just, his entire deal. Retribution. Liberation. Justice by the least comfortable, least "Western Liberalism" friendly definition possible. An enraged response to the hypocrisy that built the foundation of the modern western liberal democracy. "All men are created equal", written by a man who forced his slaves to bear his illegitimate children so he could get more slaves without buying them. Burn it all down. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not 100% sure about tying Gruumsh directly to such rhetoric, unless we strongly change the perception of him as a disfigured and "evil" god of brutish monster-folk, though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8019397, member: 6704184"] Protection of one's kin is certainly a good role for such a god. It is disrespectful to call Black people "Blacks". This is a direct misrepresentation of what the other person said, and is an attempt to derail the thread. I've no clue why you are so aggressively dedicated to getting into everyone's face with your reactionary anger at the thought of people being critical about the content of DnD, but leave it to the threads dedicated to that discussion. Minor quibble, i don't think Orc-Odin would want any such thing as the orcs being so angry all the time. He is the god of Fury, on and off the battlefield. Odin is the source of both poetic inspiration and battle-frenzy, which are seen as essentially the same thing with different expressions. That said, I agree that having gods with overlapping domains that are in conflict over the aspects of those domains, like the War siblings in Theros or their inspiration Athena and Ares, is a good thing. Sure, the god has an alignment just like any character. Is Deneir pidgeonholed, or is he analogous to a minor saint? A patron of a specific task or endeavor, with overlap with a more prominent saint. I disagree completely with the idea that having both does any sort of disservice the the pantheon. Deneir isn't necessary NG because the act of physically recording knowledge is NG (though I think it is reasonable to conclude that it is), but because the gods of FR are [I]characters[/I] and characters have alignments, and his is NG. Just like different gods of death have had different alignments, a different god of scribes might easily have a different alignment. So, two characters from recent media come to mind reading this, and because of the recent protests and what sparked them it may be no surprise that what you've written makes me think about Black characters who are enraged and speak to the need to destroy the system of oppression in order to move past it. The first I have to include with a warning. The language is very NSFW, and rather uncomfortable. It's one of the best scenes from American Gods, when Anansi (Mr Nancy) convinces a ship full of African captives to rise up and kill every single Dutch m-fer on the ship, and burn it. [URL='https://youtu.be/Rg2jbFteS-U']Anansi Speech[/URL] The second requires no warning, it's just Killmonger from Black Panther. Just, his entire deal. Retribution. Liberation. Justice by the least comfortable, least "Western Liberalism" friendly definition possible. An enraged response to the hypocrisy that built the foundation of the modern western liberal democracy. "All men are created equal", written by a man who forced his slaves to bear his illegitimate children so he could get more slaves without buying them. Burn it all down. I'm not 100% sure about tying Gruumsh directly to such rhetoric, unless we strongly change the perception of him as a disfigured and "evil" god of brutish monster-folk, though. [/QUOTE]
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