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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5877543" data-attributes="member: 82106">Right, but OTOH those super low ACs weren't likely to factor in a whole lot. Most creatures in that category weren't going to be defeated by the fighters hacking at them anyway. They were going to go down to magic, and probably not even by direct magical attack, but by 'indirect' means (IE like dropping a wall on them or collapsing the ceiling of a cave, or sticking them fast with rock to mud, etc). Heck, things like demon lords all have practically unlimited teleportation and/or gating capability. At best your post level 12 fighters might manage to be in for the final kill once the monster was somehow disabled in some way. So, yes, melee combat in a sense 'breaks down', but it hardly matters. No sane wizard would stick around to play pokey with a monster in the deep sub zero AC category if all they were going to be doing was sticking it with their dagger. That would be true even if the monster's AC was 2 in all likelihood.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5877543, member: 82106"] Right, but OTOH those super low ACs weren't likely to factor in a whole lot. Most creatures in that category weren't going to be defeated by the fighters hacking at them anyway. They were going to go down to magic, and probably not even by direct magical attack, but by 'indirect' means (IE like dropping a wall on them or collapsing the ceiling of a cave, or sticking them fast with rock to mud, etc). Heck, things like demon lords all have practically unlimited teleportation and/or gating capability. At best your post level 12 fighters might manage to be in for the final kill once the monster was somehow disabled in some way. So, yes, melee combat in a sense 'breaks down', but it hardly matters. No sane wizard would stick around to play pokey with a monster in the deep sub zero AC category if all they were going to be doing was sticking it with their dagger. That would be true even if the monster's AC was 2 in all likelihood. [/QUOTE]

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