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<blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 8512914" data-attributes="member: 7026594"><p>Perhaps indirectly? But I think the article's author is correct that older games span a very wide range of play styles, and while I don't mind calling them all "old school" in that sense, I don't think they consistently share in, for example, the OSR principles of play as expressed by Finch. SOME may share in some of them, but I think he's completely right that "<em>a so-called movement that can encompass D&D, Bunnies & Burrows, Traveller, and Teenagers From Outer Space</em> [My insert: and Champions] <em>is conceptually useless except in the broadest categorizational sense</em>".</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, I haven't seen much use of Simulacra in that sense yet (I think on Dragonsfoot they use that as an umbrella term both for new OSR games and retroclones), but it makes sense as a term. I sometimes also see "NuSR" or "OSR-adjacent", and I think there's another term I'm blanking on.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yup. Which is part of why in my OP I articulate that I generally see the old school of D&D as ending around the '84-'85 period. There are a bunch of markers there. The beginning of the Adventure Path/Fantasy Novel Emulation model of adventure design, with Dragonlance. The beginning of AD&D getting a skill system, with OA, the WSG and DSG. Gygax leaving the company. And in other modules and in general discussion (in Dragon's Forum and such venues) you start to see the seeds of 2E removing xp for gp as a core rule, as happened in '89.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mannahnin, post: 8512914, member: 7026594"] Perhaps indirectly? But I think the article's author is correct that older games span a very wide range of play styles, and while I don't mind calling them all "old school" in that sense, I don't think they consistently share in, for example, the OSR principles of play as expressed by Finch. SOME may share in some of them, but I think he's completely right that "[I]a so-called movement that can encompass D&D, Bunnies & Burrows, Traveller, and Teenagers From Outer Space[/I] [My insert: and Champions] [I]is conceptually useless except in the broadest categorizational sense[/I]". Ah, I haven't seen much use of Simulacra in that sense yet (I think on Dragonsfoot they use that as an umbrella term both for new OSR games and retroclones), but it makes sense as a term. I sometimes also see "NuSR" or "OSR-adjacent", and I think there's another term I'm blanking on. Yup. Which is part of why in my OP I articulate that I generally see the old school of D&D as ending around the '84-'85 period. There are a bunch of markers there. The beginning of the Adventure Path/Fantasy Novel Emulation model of adventure design, with Dragonlance. The beginning of AD&D getting a skill system, with OA, the WSG and DSG. Gygax leaving the company. And in other modules and in general discussion (in Dragon's Forum and such venues) you start to see the seeds of 2E removing xp for gp as a core rule, as happened in '89. [/QUOTE]
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