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<blockquote data-quote="John Quixote" data-source="post: 8514137" data-attributes="member: 694"><p>The usual OSR response to the very, very, very tired criticism that old-school play was never a monolith and has always encompassed a diversity of play styles — best articulated by a widely-shared 2009 <a href="https://knights-n-knaves.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5969" target="_blank">K&K Alehouse post by T. Foster</a> that the author of the article in the OP also links to in Part V of the essay — basically boils down to, "Yes, <a href="https://youtu.be/bJ12s2kx_-M?t=32" target="_blank">we know</a>. We already know that. We don't care; it's beside the point."</p><p></p><p>Defining a specific 'old-school' play style, even if it's pure revisionism, all but necessitates drawing hard distinctions between <em>the way, as best as we can reconstruct, that D&D's creators originally intended the game to be played</em> (even if that changed almost immediately once the game was in the hands of the public; even if those selfsame creators changed their own minds a few years down the road) and <em>the way the game <u>actually</u> evolved</em> during the real course of the hobby's history. The revision <em>is</em> the point. The alternate-history, possible-path what-if-ery <em>is the point</em>. The only way to <em>get</em> that is to close off the avenues that the history of the game has already treaded (because they are what led D&D from old-school to traditional to modern gameplay).</p><p></p><p>That, even at the risk of being a bunch of un-inclusive meanie-pantses who dare to imagine that a very specific play-style might have an actual definition to it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Quixote, post: 8514137, member: 694"] The usual OSR response to the very, very, very tired criticism that old-school play was never a monolith and has always encompassed a diversity of play styles — best articulated by a widely-shared 2009 [URL='https://knights-n-knaves.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5969']K&K Alehouse post by T. Foster[/URL] that the author of the article in the OP also links to in Part V of the essay — basically boils down to, "Yes, [URL='https://youtu.be/bJ12s2kx_-M?t=32']we know[/URL]. We already know that. We don't care; it's beside the point." Defining a specific 'old-school' play style, even if it's pure revisionism, all but necessitates drawing hard distinctions between [I]the way, as best as we can reconstruct, that D&D's creators originally intended the game to be played[/I] (even if that changed almost immediately once the game was in the hands of the public; even if those selfsame creators changed their own minds a few years down the road) and [I]the way the game [U]actually[/U] evolved[/I] during the real course of the hobby's history. The revision [I]is[/I] the point. The alternate-history, possible-path what-if-ery [I]is the point[/I]. The only way to [I]get[/I] that is to close off the avenues that the history of the game has already treaded (because they are what led D&D from old-school to traditional to modern gameplay). That, even at the risk of being a bunch of un-inclusive meanie-pantses who dare to imagine that a very specific play-style might have an actual definition to it. [/QUOTE]
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