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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 8517023" data-attributes="member: 7026594">That's definitely an interesting question.  In my observation those games were a side-interest of some participants in the OSR going back to the beginning of the movement, and they're a good edge/corner case demonstration of why the OSR should probably be more capacious than just Old School D&D.  Though a lot of this is personal opinion, of course. Yes, though I think some of those mechanics are at least tangentially part of the same exploration.  Random character generation still has some adherents, but has become increasingly outmoded in D&D design.  Re-examining how, for example, OD&D and B/X treat ability scores, can give us more insight into when and why random abilities can work and be fun, even if that's something I completely abandoned while I was playing 4E, and mostly so with 5E.</blockquote>