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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wightbred" data-source="post: 6154925" data-attributes="member: 56388">I honestly had a very similar problem with Apocalypse World (AW). I loved Dogs but playing only with a group of straight dudes I balked at the concept of sex explicitly in the game at first (as well as I wasn't interest in post apocalyptic games).But then I discovered and loved Dungeon World (DW) which doesn't have any of these special sex moves and finally decided to get and play AW. That's when I discovered AW was not a 'Swingers Club' type game.When you see a good movie there is tension. That tension could be built on action, violence or it could be social. Dogs in the Vineyard is a game for adults, because it is really about finding the limit of what a character can do. There is action and violence tension, but as you play it more it you discover it becomes a game of pushing limits - so social tension. Will your character draw a gun on a pregnant evil sorcerer? Their own Aunt? A child possessed? This makes a truly amazing and challenging game, but if you take the game to these places you find it is designed and intended as a game for adults.One of the most important social tensions is love triangles. Dogs doesn't have this baked in for the PCs, but it could be an NPC tension. AW is also a game designed for adults (check the rating at the front), so instead of shying away from a great place for tension, AW puts it in the game. But because it is a true post apocalyptic game it doesn't just put romance on the table, which would be a half measure, it has the courage to put sex in the table - in the same way a true post apocalyptic movie for adults would.It's not that there is a lot of sex in most AW games. In fact, in my experience it is pretty rare. And when it happens, like in a mainstream movie, the actual sex happens off-screen with no details. Mad Max / Road Warrior doesn't shy away from scenes related to the characters having sex, but of course it doesn't include pornography. It's just the potential for sex makes it more intense, like the potential for death makes a violence tension more interesting.You could have detailed descriptions of sex if you wanted, but there are no rules for the detail and I've never seen this done. Just like you could also describe detailed sex scenes in any other game, but this rarely happens.So if you don't want mature social tensions to come up, then I would avoid both Dogs and AW and play something like the still brilliant Dungeon World instead. But if you are playing with people mature enough and are interested to push some boundaries of in-game social tension then Dogs and AW are two of the best games you could play.In summary Apocalypse World is a great game, like Dogs in the Vineyard, but like Deadwood or Mad Max these games are designed for adults so expect challenging social situations. But don't worry about AW becoming a 'Swingers Club' unless you bring that yourself and would do that with any RPG. I wouldn't play either game with children, but I'd play both at the drop of a hat.</blockquote>

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