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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GSHamster" data-source="post: 2817764" data-attributes="member: 20187">What I meant by that is that the puzzle itself tells you how to solve it.  "Speak, friend, and enter" literally says to speak the word "friend". Similarly this puzzle contained the instructions on how to solve it.  I'm not sure the DM could have given any other hints other than "look up wrath and justice in the Bible".A Sunday School lesson taught by a Wiccan and involving the Book of Mormon?  If you are going to play in the real world, and involve history to any degree, you are going to encounter religion. To attempt to pretend otherwise is naive at best.  After all, you're playing a game that already involves the legend of Cain.As well, his character took ranks or skills in Religion, implicitly making Religion fair game as a topic.  If his character was an atheist plumber, than yeah, dragging him into a religious topic is excessive, but the player chose his weapons.My opinion is that puzzles are a bad idea for roleplaying games.  Either the player is more knowledgeable than the character, and earns them a victory they should not have had.  Or the the player is less knowledgeable than the character, and the character loses unfairly.I'm just saying that if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. (Role-playing vs roll-playing)As well, in my opinion, the puzzle was fairly easy. The DM was not out of line to think that her player could solve it.  The player just missed seeing the solution, and kind of got fixated on a wrong train of thought.  I do think the DM poorly handled the player not being able to solve it, but that was understandable as a rookie mistake. It's a hard question of should she let the puzzle play out, and enforce real consequences, or should she give the player the answer, and just let the game keep going.</blockquote>

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