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<blockquote data-quote="Silveras" data-source="post: 1387548" data-attributes="member: 6271"><p>Any such discussion should always start with the game definitions. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>and </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, it is not unreasonable for the rest of the party to expect a Lawful character to obey the laws of the land. However, a Lawful character can certainly obey the laws or teachings of a religion before those of a nation (bowing to the higher authority of the god(s)). A personal code of honor is more of a Chaotic type of thing (see "follow their consciences" in the next quote). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All that being said, though, few people are perfect. Paladins are held to a higher standard. Putting them aside, most other characters are expected to be imperfect at living to their ideal. They may want to "do the right (Lawful) thing" but sometimes cave in to expediency or temptation. </p><p></p><p>Note that the SRD does not include anything about orderliness in its definitions of Law and Chaos. I personally think some orderly behavior is a good way to express a Lawful orientation. But the defining traits are some combination of: honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, reliability, close-mindedness, blind insistence on keeping tradition, judgementalness, and an inability to cope with new situations (I am paraphrasing a couple). If none of those sound like your character, then that character is not by-the-book Lawful. </p><p></p><p>If your DM is hinting that you are not being "Lawful", s/he has the final word. Try to find out what the issue is. It may be that the personality you have created for your Monk is <strong>NOT</strong> Lawful. Look at it as a role-playing challenge; your character has been a Monk for a while, but maybe is not really suited to it. Is a career change in order ? Maybe a crisis event could spur you to adjust the character to be more by-the-book Lawful (if that's what your DM is getting at).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Silveras, post: 1387548, member: 6271"] Any such discussion should always start with the game definitions. ;) and So, it is not unreasonable for the rest of the party to expect a Lawful character to obey the laws of the land. However, a Lawful character can certainly obey the laws or teachings of a religion before those of a nation (bowing to the higher authority of the god(s)). A personal code of honor is more of a Chaotic type of thing (see "follow their consciences" in the next quote). All that being said, though, few people are perfect. Paladins are held to a higher standard. Putting them aside, most other characters are expected to be imperfect at living to their ideal. They may want to "do the right (Lawful) thing" but sometimes cave in to expediency or temptation. Note that the SRD does not include anything about orderliness in its definitions of Law and Chaos. I personally think some orderly behavior is a good way to express a Lawful orientation. But the defining traits are some combination of: honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, reliability, close-mindedness, blind insistence on keeping tradition, judgementalness, and an inability to cope with new situations (I am paraphrasing a couple). If none of those sound like your character, then that character is not by-the-book Lawful. If your DM is hinting that you are not being "Lawful", s/he has the final word. Try to find out what the issue is. It may be that the personality you have created for your Monk is [B]NOT[/B] Lawful. Look at it as a role-playing challenge; your character has been a Monk for a while, but maybe is not really suited to it. Is a career change in order ? Maybe a crisis event could spur you to adjust the character to be more by-the-book Lawful (if that's what your DM is getting at). [/QUOTE]
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