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<blockquote data-quote="reiella" data-source="post: 1387564" data-attributes="member: 160">To me, the lawful axis means simply a strong acknowledgement and acceptance of the theory that people and society are &quot;better off&quot; in a structured/ordered environment.&nbsp; That &quot;general&quot; assumption starts to falter with some lawful evil types, but even the Baatezu of the Nine Hells believe that a structured and ordered society is &quot;good&quot; for the grunts <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.Breaking local laws causes chaos and destabilizes the overall order and structure.&nbsp; However, that isn't to say that they aren't broken, through forms of civil protest or as part of an action to change the order (either by imposing your own form, or having legislature acknowledge a problem).&nbsp; Lawful Evil types probably are alot more likly to break the &quot;letter&quot; of the law when they think they won't get caught, not wishing to destabilize the existing structure too much.The example of the guild thief may be two-fold.&nbsp; In some societies, it becomes a foregone conclussion that thieves will exist.&nbsp; Therefore, it is better for the thieves to follow some structure as well, and they do not necessarily break the structure of their environment by &quot;breaking the law&quot;, because it is assumed that robberies will happen.&nbsp; Alternatively, the thief/guild is seeking to destablize the structure enough so that their structure will surplant it.The second example may well be a form of social reform.&nbsp; And on that note, I must comment that just because someone is lawful does not mean that they do not attempt to change the laws.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="reiella, post: 1387564, member: 160"] To me, the lawful axis means simply a strong acknowledgement and acceptance of the theory that people and society are "better off" in a structured/ordered environment. That "general" assumption starts to falter with some lawful evil types, but even the Baatezu of the Nine Hells believe that a structured and ordered society is "good" for the grunts :). Breaking local laws causes chaos and destabilizes the overall order and structure. However, that isn't to say that they aren't broken, through forms of civil protest or as part of an action to change the order (either by imposing your own form, or having legislature acknowledge a problem). Lawful Evil types probably are alot more likly to break the "letter" of the law when they think they won't get caught, not wishing to destabilize the existing structure too much. The example of the guild thief may be two-fold. In some societies, it becomes a foregone conclussion that thieves will exist. Therefore, it is better for the thieves to follow some structure as well, and they do not necessarily break the structure of their environment by "breaking the law", because it is assumed that robberies will happen. Alternatively, the thief/guild is seeking to destablize the structure enough so that their structure will surplant it. The second example may well be a form of social reform. And on that note, I must comment that just because someone is lawful does not mean that they do not attempt to change the laws. [/QUOTE]

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