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<blockquote data-quote="Sir Brennen" data-source="post: 6492766" data-attributes="member: 553"><p>Well played, sir. </p><p></p><p>Yeah, after reading the spell in reply to the OP, my thoughts were "Wow. Why wouldn't <em>every</em> high level wizard have a dozen or more clones stashed away somewhere." Story-wise, that's not typically the case. </p><p></p><p>Also, it seems the clone spell exerts some sort of pull on the soul when the original creature dies (hence the "and willing" clause... Which might put a crimp in the "clone and kill a captive" scenario). So what happens when there's more than one clone body pulling at the soul? My quick solution is "only one clone at a a time", or that they activate sequentially, in the order they were created.</p><p></p><p>I do like the idea of soul fragmentation, and the consequences that might imply. Madness, most likely. Or, tapping into Egyptian mythology, maybe specific parts of the soul are peeled off. What would the clone be like that is only the Ib part of the soul? What about the clone that's missing the Ib? The Sheut is the part of the soul that forms one's shadow. What an interesting clone that would be ...</p><p></p><p>How many clones can a soul be split between, though? Wisdom score? Wisdom bonus? Int, Wis Cha bonus combined? What happens to the clones if the soul is spread too thin? Do they fail to animate? Or do they become... something else?</p><p></p><p>Can a being with a partial soul become a lich? Simple answer, No. More interesting answer, maybe. A lich with a partial soul again, might be something different, something other than a regular lich. Again, what would a lich who's shadow soul is the only part in the phylactery be like? What if becoming a lich causes all the soul fragments to reunite in the phylactery? Now there's a full blown lich with soulless copies of itself running around (once more, soulless clones are more interesting than ruling they simply become inert again).</p><p></p><p>Speaking of limits with consequences, how many clones should spellcaster be able to create? Limited by the original body's Con score, I imagine, either bonus (minimum one) or actual score. What happens when you exceed the limit? Either the spell fails (boring), or the clone is somehow "wrong", only limited by the DMs imagination. Surely some wizard who pushed those boundaries is out there somewhere in his warped clone body.</p><p></p><p>Well, that was fun. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sir Brennen, post: 6492766, member: 553"] Well played, sir. Yeah, after reading the spell in reply to the OP, my thoughts were "Wow. Why wouldn't [i]every[/i] high level wizard have a dozen or more clones stashed away somewhere." Story-wise, that's not typically the case. Also, it seems the clone spell exerts some sort of pull on the soul when the original creature dies (hence the "and willing" clause... Which might put a crimp in the "clone and kill a captive" scenario). So what happens when there's more than one clone body pulling at the soul? My quick solution is "only one clone at a a time", or that they activate sequentially, in the order they were created. I do like the idea of soul fragmentation, and the consequences that might imply. Madness, most likely. Or, tapping into Egyptian mythology, maybe specific parts of the soul are peeled off. What would the clone be like that is only the Ib part of the soul? What about the clone that's missing the Ib? The Sheut is the part of the soul that forms one's shadow. What an interesting clone that would be ... How many clones can a soul be split between, though? Wisdom score? Wisdom bonus? Int, Wis Cha bonus combined? What happens to the clones if the soul is spread too thin? Do they fail to animate? Or do they become... something else? Can a being with a partial soul become a lich? Simple answer, No. More interesting answer, maybe. A lich with a partial soul again, might be something different, something other than a regular lich. Again, what would a lich who's shadow soul is the only part in the phylactery be like? What if becoming a lich causes all the soul fragments to reunite in the phylactery? Now there's a full blown lich with soulless copies of itself running around (once more, soulless clones are more interesting than ruling they simply become inert again). Speaking of limits with consequences, how many clones should spellcaster be able to create? Limited by the original body's Con score, I imagine, either bonus (minimum one) or actual score. What happens when you exceed the limit? Either the spell fails (boring), or the clone is somehow "wrong", only limited by the DMs imagination. Surely some wizard who pushed those boundaries is out there somewhere in his warped clone body. Well, that was fun. :) [/QUOTE]
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