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Message: <blockquote data-quote="woodelf" data-source="post: 2339054" data-attributes="member: 10201">Well, in the context of the original thread, i was countering the claim that it never occurred. It only takes one counter-case to disprove an absolute statement. I wasn't claiming proof that moderation is bad, only that it is possible for a heated thread to turn around and become productive.Well, i don't want to turn this into a board-wars thread, but i think that i *can* point to a whole passle of such threads--they're all over RPGNet and r.g.f.advocacy. The former of which seems to have a "as long as you're not making death threats or a non-game-related neo-Nazi political screed, it's ok", and the latter of which doesn't have moderation, AFAIK. I find RPGNet to be a much more hospitable and friendly atmosphere, and the most-obvious difference is the tone of discussion and moderation. But i also have the skin of a rhino, so very little bugs me--so there might be a lot of flameage that just slides off my back and i don't even notice it. [Or i'm just oblivious, if you prefer to characterize it that way. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ]Now, obviously, you can just respond "well, you like it better there, go over there and leave us alone." And perhaps that *is* the solution. But some topics simply generate more-interesting discussions here than anywhere else i'm aware of. And you might be right. Both the generally-positive reputation of EnWorld, and the responses in this thread seem to point to the idea that i'm simply in the minority (at least around here), and i should just deal. The world can't bend to my wishes, and what i needed was to raise the point and have the discussion, not necessarily "win".But i'll counter your challenge with one of my own: can you show that the denizens of EnWorld are any less well-behaved than the general populace? Because i can point to plenty of examples of places that accept much-more-heated discussions, with only self-moderation, and haven't blown up yet. IME, it doesn't take the exceptional individuals you describe to manage it.I haven't been around long enough to witness poor behavior here--did it used to be rowdier? IOW, i wasn't aware that the "observed behavior" was ever actually observed here.You may well be right. No, let me rephrase that: i think you are right. The mood in individual threads spills over and forms the general tone of the boards. For good and ill. The good, in this case? Civility. The ill? In addition to topics i know i can't discuss (real-world religion), i fear saying things that are a lot less offensive, because i figure they'll get shot down/shut down. Maybe i'm wrong. And i'm sure part of it is personal preference: i'd rather be in an environment that is rowdy and impolite, than one that has the oppresive feel of censorship. Others (presumably yourself) consider what i characterize as 'censorship' to be 'civil standards.' And i understand that there is no absolute standard, so we can both be equally 'right' or 'wrong'.Anyway, i've had my say. Like i said when i started the thread--i wanted to raise the topic for discussion. I've made my points; if they don't persuade, i'm simply outvoted. Such is life.</blockquote>

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