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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Twowolves" data-source="post: 4908507" data-attributes="member: 18093">You must be tired from moving those goalposts so much. 1) you said skills got worse. They did not. Armor check penalties may or may not affect a given character based on that player's choice of armor. These are two separate issues. That armor hinders some skills in no way changes the fact that almost every skill got better, or more flexible, or more useful. But hey, if you wanna pick and choose skills to make your point, why not pick Swim? Armor check penalties are no longer doubled for swim, but since that doesn't fit nicely into your pigeon-hole, you just ignore that I see.2) Barbarians now get more rounds/day of their rage ability, AND a ton of special rage powers to choose from. But because "there are plenty of opportunities for a DM to get you to burn rounds outside of combat and risk being fatigued when trouble starts", it's somehow bad? Because some DMs can possible dick you over, the CLASS is no good? I see.... ?? No wait, I don't. That makes no sense at all. Bards can't provide perpetual bonuses, so they aren't worth having. Wait, what?? More spells and earlier access to them get ignored I see.3) you complained of "feat bloat", and I pointed out that many of these "bloated" feats are really Fighter class abilities put in another section (since technically, any full BAB class can get some of them). Then you launch into a rant against the changes to the feats. That's fine, if that was what you want to complain about, but they are two different things. Or are you one of those people who don't like feats and hate picking them? Splitting up some feats they felt were too good or too easy to get is a way to keep them available to fighters (which get more feats than anyone) and make others think twice about them. Especially dual wielding sneak-attacking rogues (who already got a big combat boost when Sneak Attack started affecting more creatures). 3b) you complain about too many (supposedly unnecessary) feats, but want the new Cleave to be a different feat in addition to the old one? Make up your mind already. Or at least pick an arguement and stick with it instead of jumping around like a flea in a frying pan.</blockquote>

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