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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 742980" data-attributes="member: 2205">That was a bold move to do across the board, but DC published books like Frank Miller's Dark Knight books years ago, that were much darker and innovative (for comic books) than, say, the Ultimates (probably the darkest and arguably the most innovative book in the Marvel line-up these days, I'd argue.)&nbsp; Don't get me wrong, I'm strongly a pro-Marvel vs. DC kinda guy, but I just don't know that Marvel is necessarily &quot;better&quot; or &quot;more innovative&quot; than DC -- these seem like entirely subjective viewpoints that cannot really be demonstrated at all.&nbsp; That said, I love the whole Ultimates series, and think that resetting Spiderman, the X-Men and (essentially) the Avengers as modern books in the modern age without reference to the years and years of continuity baggage was a great thing -- good enough to bring me back into comics after having been a non-collector for about 10 years or so now (well, that and the recent movies, and the M&amp;M game, and the Heroclix game -- my recent re-investment in comics is really a gestalt of a lot of things going on right now) so personally I agree with much of what you are saying.&nbsp; I'm just also saying that DC, and even Image and others did more &quot;modern&quot; innovation than Marvel has done.That's a really interesting viewpoint, and with some reflection, I think I agree with you 100%.&nbsp; Gaming really is in kinda a &quot;silver age&quot; in the same sense as comics -- it's not the original Golden Age, but it's really bigger and better than the Golden Age ever was anyway.&nbsp; At least in my opinion.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />P.S.&nbsp; And what does that make us for comic books; the Bronze Age?&nbsp; Right now I think comics are way better than they ever were in the Silver Age anyway.&nbsp; From a quality of the art and the printing of the books themselves, to the much better writing and characterization of the characters, to the focus on more &quot;adult&quot; stories and plots, comics are better than they've ever been as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 742980, member: 2205"] That was a bold move to do across the board, but DC published books like Frank Miller's Dark Knight books years ago, that were much darker and innovative (for comic books) than, say, the Ultimates (probably the darkest and arguably the most innovative book in the Marvel line-up these days, I'd argue.) Don't get me wrong, I'm strongly a pro-Marvel vs. DC kinda guy, but I just don't know that Marvel is necessarily "better" or "more innovative" than DC -- these seem like entirely subjective viewpoints that cannot really be demonstrated at all. That said, I love the whole Ultimates series, and think that resetting Spiderman, the X-Men and (essentially) the Avengers as modern books in the modern age without reference to the years and years of continuity baggage was a great thing -- good enough to bring me back into comics after having been a non-collector for about 10 years or so now (well, that and the recent movies, and the M&M game, and the Heroclix game -- my recent re-investment in comics is really a gestalt of a lot of things going on right now) so personally I agree with much of what you are saying. I'm just also saying that DC, and even Image and others did more "modern" innovation than Marvel has done. [b][/B] That's a really interesting viewpoint, and with some reflection, I think I agree with you 100%. Gaming really is in kinda a "silver age" in the same sense as comics -- it's not the original Golden Age, but it's really bigger and better than the Golden Age ever was anyway. At least in my opinion. :) P.S. And what does that make us for comic books; the Bronze Age? Right now I think comics are way better than they ever were in the Silver Age anyway. From a quality of the art and the printing of the books themselves, to the much better writing and characterization of the characters, to the focus on more "adult" stories and plots, comics are better than they've ever been as well. [/QUOTE]

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