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Message: <blockquote data-quote="stevelabny" data-source="post: 743801" data-attributes="member: 9298">when arguing DC vs Marveli took the DC Universe vs the Marvel Universe argumentVertigo (or epic) and non-universe books didn't come into play at all. And I refuse to read the Ultimate books on principal so neither did they.And although the main DC heroes were created in the Golden Age (the 40s), they were all reborn or revisioned during the Silver Age. (all the characters except Bats and Supes were new incarnations of the characters, new guy in the Flash suit, new guy in the Green Lantern suit, etc)  So Marvel and DC have the same 40 year continuity. With Crisis and Zero Hour, DC actually ret-conned their entire universe and change their history to be only TEN years.  Marvel changes old continuity on the fly when characters get too told but has never has a complete RESET button hit, so in theory MARVEL has the more complicated, convoluted continuity. But don't get me started, I actually think that superheroes should get old and die like everyone else.As for sales, Marvel sells more not only because they have more titles, but simply that they will jump on a trend and beat it into the ground sooner than DC will.  When "dark" comics became the trend...the Punisher was given a title..and another...and another untilt the market was glutted and they all got cancelled, but for the first few years, they sold a lot of Punsiher. I am by no means DC bashing. I like some DC titles. But DC has two problems. Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern and in his own weird way Batman are all grossly over-powered.The Justice League was a far better title when it had none of them but instead Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Fire, Ice and Guy "not really a Green Lantern" Gardner (see avatar). Just the same way that the Avengers are better when Thor the god, Iron Man the living weapon and Captain America the living pep talk arent all  around. Marvel "created" flawed less powerful heroes as the norm,  and one other important creation the non-origin story that is MUTANTS. When origins started to get too ridiculous, even King of Camp himself Stan Lee knew he better invent an out. I was BORN this way. Even DC had to eventually steal this simple idea and give everyone a Meta-gene. (that gets activated with stupid origins, random occurence or ALIENS that suck it out your neck, yay) DC's later innovations were "dark" comics, which are usually over-rated or just outright poor and "mature" comics which are a complete and total mixed bag. For every hit that Veritgo has (Sandman, Preacher, and select runs of Animal Man and Hellblazer) there are 10 Vertigo titles that bomb.  Many of the titles are just pretentious and for all the supposed good of comics FOR adults... DC has marketed Vertigo so poorly to mainstream America that it has had NO impact on the market. Wait, DC hasn't marketed anything to the mainstream. Neither has Marvel for that matter. An entire industry that tries to survive without advertising? How amusing. I'll shut up now before I get angry again. steve</blockquote>

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