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[A little but not a lot OT] Marvel vs DC
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<blockquote data-quote="Teflon Billy" data-source="post: 746945" data-attributes="member: 264"><p>Well, I bought my comics in a drugstore when I was a kid/teen, but I digress...</p><p></p><p>I'm not going to argue that the Marvel Universe is not interesting or rich. It is, I think this is displayed beautifully in the <strong>Earth X</strong> graphic novel...which tied a lot of Marvel's loose ends together.</p><p></p><p>But I really loved the restarts, because to be honest with you, the early Marvel comics just didn't make a hell of a lot of sense as far as character motivation.</p><p></p><p>I loved the Jim Lee retelling of the origin of the <strong>Fantastic Four</strong> in that <em>Heroes Reborn</em> restart a few years ago, because it attempted to put some kind of coherence behind things. It still included exposure ot Cosmic Rays, and the Mole Man and what have you...but it made sense (plot and motivation-wise) from a modern perspective.</p><p></p><p>I thin the sam can be said for <strong>The Ultimates</strong>. "Let's Get Together and Fight The Hulk" may have carried the day as an origin story back at the beginning of <strong>The Avengers</strong>, but to my sensibilites it reads awfully stupidly.</p><p></p><p>I like the idea that SHIELD is running things (cause I think we can all agree--with maybe a more informed worldview than the readership had back when <strong>The Avengers</strong> started up--that the government wouldn't likely keep it's hands out of things if The World's Mightiest Heroes decided to get together and do stuff)</p><p></p><p>I like that the characters themselves are more human. <strong>The Ultimates</strong> seem like <em>people</em> more than <strong>The Avengers</strong> (in my black and white "Essential Avengers" Graphic Novels) ever did.</p><p></p><p><strong>Cap</strong> now acts like a <em>Soldier</em>. It's been a long time coming.</p><p></p><p><strong>Thor</strong> up until now has always left me fairly cold. Ultimate Thor actually has some character outside of kicking ass and saying "nay" <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not positive yet that a modern treatment of the classic stories were done becasue anyone was confused. I think it was done because the old characters had a lot of Iconic Value ("Brand") but were so mired the flawed, early stories that more skilled creators were given the reins.</p><p></p><p>I have a great love for the work Of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby...but the early Marvel stuff just does not hold together. they got their act together quickly enough (Fantastic Four after about issue 40 was <em>awesome</em> judged by any standards...Galactus, The Inhumans, all kinds of good stuff....added to comprehensible plot and motivations.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Confusing how? <strong>Spider Man</strong> is iconic in North American culture. The kid is not going to be puzzled by his array of Spider man comic choices.</p><p></p><p>He's going to pick the one with the coolest cover.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And you'd be against them fixing this plotline... Because revision of flawed material is bad right?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd hate to see that happen...but I'll be honest with you: the curent X-titles don't appeal to me the way 1980's Chris Claremont X-Men did. I don't buy them. The last titles I bought regularly were the <strong>Kurt Busiek</strong> penned <strong>Iron Man</strong> and <strong>Avengers</strong>. they weren't that great.</p><p></p><p>I wait eagerly for <strong>The Ultimates</strong>...<em>that</em> hasn't happened in awhile. Most comic people I speak to (at the shop I go to, so it's hardly a scientific sample) say the same thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well...I've never met anyone in the industry. But <strong>Kurt Busiek</strong> wa always quite nice in email correspondence. Again, Your mileage may vary as this is not a big sample group <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll take the blame. And I had no idea about "Free Comic Book day"...maybe it's just in the USA.</p><p></p><p>I also haven't read ultimate Spider Man.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Teflon Billy, post: 746945, member: 264"] Well, I bought my comics in a drugstore when I was a kid/teen, but I digress... I'm not going to argue that the Marvel Universe is not interesting or rich. It is, I think this is displayed beautifully in the [b]Earth X[/b] graphic novel...which tied a lot of Marvel's loose ends together. But I really loved the restarts, because to be honest with you, the early Marvel comics just didn't make a hell of a lot of sense as far as character motivation. I loved the Jim Lee retelling of the origin of the [b]Fantastic Four[/b] in that [i]Heroes Reborn[/i] restart a few years ago, because it attempted to put some kind of coherence behind things. It still included exposure ot Cosmic Rays, and the Mole Man and what have you...but it made sense (plot and motivation-wise) from a modern perspective. I thin the sam can be said for [b]The Ultimates[/b]. "Let's Get Together and Fight The Hulk" may have carried the day as an origin story back at the beginning of [b]The Avengers[/b], but to my sensibilites it reads awfully stupidly. I like the idea that SHIELD is running things (cause I think we can all agree--with maybe a more informed worldview than the readership had back when [b]The Avengers[/b] started up--that the government wouldn't likely keep it's hands out of things if The World's Mightiest Heroes decided to get together and do stuff) I like that the characters themselves are more human. [b]The Ultimates[/b] seem like [i]people[/i] more than [b]The Avengers[/b] (in my black and white "Essential Avengers" Graphic Novels) ever did. [b]Cap[/b] now acts like a [i]Soldier[/i]. It's been a long time coming. [b]Thor[/b] up until now has always left me fairly cold. Ultimate Thor actually has some character outside of kicking ass and saying "nay" :) [b][/b] I'm not positive yet that a modern treatment of the classic stories were done becasue anyone was confused. I think it was done because the old characters had a lot of Iconic Value ("Brand") but were so mired the flawed, early stories that more skilled creators were given the reins. I have a great love for the work Of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby...but the early Marvel stuff just does not hold together. they got their act together quickly enough (Fantastic Four after about issue 40 was [i]awesome[/i] judged by any standards...Galactus, The Inhumans, all kinds of good stuff....added to comprehensible plot and motivations. Confusing how? [b]Spider Man[/b] is iconic in North American culture. The kid is not going to be puzzled by his array of Spider man comic choices. He's going to pick the one with the coolest cover. [b][/b] And you'd be against them fixing this plotline... Because revision of flawed material is bad right? [b][/b] I'd hate to see that happen...but I'll be honest with you: the curent X-titles don't appeal to me the way 1980's Chris Claremont X-Men did. I don't buy them. The last titles I bought regularly were the [b]Kurt Busiek[/b] penned [b]Iron Man[/b] and [b]Avengers[/b]. they weren't that great. I wait eagerly for [b]The Ultimates[/b]...[i]that[/i] hasn't happened in awhile. Most comic people I speak to (at the shop I go to, so it's hardly a scientific sample) say the same thing. [b][/b] Well...I've never met anyone in the industry. But [b]Kurt Busiek[/b] wa always quite nice in email correspondence. Again, Your mileage may vary as this is not a big sample group :) I'll take the blame. And I had no idea about "Free Comic Book day"...maybe it's just in the USA. I also haven't read ultimate Spider Man. [/QUOTE]
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