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<blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 7578296" data-attributes="member: 6880599">I agree with you about 90% here. If your a 20 Str Human vs an 18 STR draft horse you will lose in tug of war.... but if your not worried about hurting the horse and want to bring it to the ground you could full body check its front legs in a &quot;shove action&quot; because its mass is held up on the hind legs it mass is divided at least in half but perhaps more as it can hold its body with its back legs as you knock it front legs our from under it. It certainly could go down. You could also jump feet first on its hooves and pull its front knees even just a few inches forward and squeeze together. Its going to shift its weight back as much as it can trying to rear up and escape but it could work the same way a bolo works on pretty much anything with legs. I wouldn't recommend ether because the horse could fall on you … and that would be a bad day. I also would not say its as easy as doing it to person but then again a person can just stand still and punch you if you grapple their legs (which you can do in D&amp;D) but leg checks work solidly on people you see it all the time in American Football. Your just not likely to get hurt by its self doing this to a person. I mean if your a 3 ft 80 lbs halfling and you knock over a 6foot 260lbs fighter in 80lbs of armor and wearing a 90 lb pack on their back... you still might get pretty hurt if they fell on you....I could see not being proficient in body checking horse legs even though you are proficient in athletics. Its not like its something people do daily (partly because if you break its legs it no good to you). This could easily apply to pretty much any monster in D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ClaytonCross, post: 7578296, member: 6880599"] [B]I agree with you about 90% here[/B]. If your a 20 Str Human vs an 18 STR draft horse you will lose in tug of war.... but if your not worried about hurting the horse and want to bring it to the ground you could full body check its front legs in a "shove action" because its mass is held up on the hind legs it mass is divided at least in half but perhaps more as it can hold its body with its back legs as you knock it front legs our from under it. It certainly could go down. You could also jump feet first on its hooves and pull its front knees even just a few inches forward and squeeze together. Its going to shift its weight back as much as it can trying to rear up and escape but it could work the same way a bolo works on pretty much anything with legs. I wouldn't recommend ether because the horse could fall on you … and that would be a bad day. I also would not say its as easy as doing it to person but then again a person can just stand still and punch you if you grapple their legs (which you can do in D&D) but leg checks work solidly on people you see it all the time in American Football. Your just not likely to get hurt by its self doing this to a person. I mean if your a 3 ft 80 lbs halfling and you knock over a 6foot 260lbs fighter in 80lbs of armor and wearing a 90 lb pack on their back... you still might get pretty hurt if they fell on you. ...I could see not being proficient in body checking horse legs even though you are proficient in athletics. Its not like its something people do daily (partly because if you break its legs it no good to you). This could easily apply to pretty much any monster in D&D. [/QUOTE]

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