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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 150588" data-attributes="member: 177">Um, sorry, mikebr99, but you seem to be confusing some things.&nbsp; ECL is not a thing for parties.&nbsp; ECL is &quot;Equivalent Character Level&quot;.&nbsp; It's what you use to determine the effective level of a monster PC...Keops - the &quot;party level&quot; is the average level of the PCs.&nbsp; The rules are written for you to compare that average to the Challenge Rating (CR) of a creature, to guage if that creature is an appropriate challenge for the party.&nbsp; A CR 1 creature will typically chew up one sixth to one quarter of a typical 1st level party's resources (spells, hit points, etc).&nbsp; Now, the system is balanced for a typical party of 4 adventurers (actually, it seems the typical party is one fighter, on wizard, one cleric, and one rogue).&nbsp; If you have more characters or if they are otherwise odd, you may have to take that into account when comparing party level to CR.There is no formulae, no tried and true method or calculation to do this.&nbsp; There are too many variables.&nbsp; Your group of 7 will clearly be tougher than a typical 4 person party, but how much tougher?&nbsp; That really depends on what classes they are, what their stats are, and so forth.&nbsp; Since you're very new at this, you might consider reducing your party size - if anyone is playing two characters, ask them to take only one.&nbsp; If you have 7 players, split them into two groups for a little while, as you get the hang of things.&nbsp; You can put the two groups together later.Also, if you're new to the system, you might want to consider using a published adventure to start with, rather than something you put together yourself.&nbsp; The published adventures are generally playtested and pretty well designed, and give you good examples of what your party should be able to take on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 150588, member: 177"] Um, sorry, mikebr99, but you seem to be confusing some things. ECL is not a thing for parties. ECL is "Equivalent Character Level". It's what you use to determine the effective level of a monster PC... Keops - the "party level" is the average level of the PCs. The rules are written for you to compare that average to the Challenge Rating (CR) of a creature, to guage if that creature is an appropriate challenge for the party. A CR 1 creature will typically chew up one sixth to one quarter of a typical 1st level party's resources (spells, hit points, etc). Now, the system is balanced for a typical party of 4 adventurers (actually, it seems the typical party is one fighter, on wizard, one cleric, and one rogue). If you have more characters or if they are otherwise odd, you may have to take that into account when comparing party level to CR. There is no formulae, no tried and true method or calculation to do this. There are too many variables. Your group of 7 will clearly be tougher than a typical 4 person party, but how much tougher? That really depends on what classes they are, what their stats are, and so forth. Since you're very new at this, you might consider reducing your party size - if anyone is playing two characters, ask them to take only one. If you have 7 players, split them into two groups for a little while, as you get the hang of things. You can put the two groups together later. Also, if you're new to the system, you might want to consider using a published adventure to start with, rather than something you put together yourself. The published adventures are generally playtested and pretty well designed, and give you good examples of what your party should be able to take on. [/QUOTE]

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