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<blockquote data-quote="Grendel_Khan" data-source="post: 8249945" data-attributes="member: 7028554">I'm exaggerating, but not all that much. Dune has a grand total of 5 skills, and then Drives might seem like Attributes, but they're not really, because they're super open-ended and interchangeable. Duty, Faith and Justice could all apply to the same thing in a given situation, probably Truth, too. Would be like saying &quot;Ok you can roll for this test using, um, Agility or Charisma or Willpower or who knows, Strength, whatever you're best at.&quot; And best-case scenario you're getting into lots of metagame debates about whether sneaking past a guard is informed by one's morality or code of honor or faith, just quasi-philosophical nattering over and over, instead of just having attributes and skills. Like that's a plus, if you're stopping the action to discuss whether your seduction roll is based on Duty or Truth.I think that, in many ways, the rules are very faithful to the way the Dune books play out, where there are sort of no details, and few visuals--things just happen, often off-screen, so to speak, because a character wants them to. But as someone who loves other 2d20 games, and the Dune setting, I don't see how this specific combination works for an RPG. I'd have rather seen a more straightforward Conan or Infinity-style ruleset and a narrower scope of play, focused on a specific part of the setting. Give me something clear to do, and why I'm doing it, and clear rules to do it. But there's clearly so much effort put into this adaptation, and it's clearly ambitious, so I'd love for it to succeed on its own terms. I really do hope I'm wrong and the narrative/improv crowd eats it up, zones and all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grendel_Khan, post: 8249945, member: 7028554"] I'm exaggerating, but not all that much. Dune has a grand total of 5 skills, and then Drives might seem like Attributes, but they're not really, because they're super open-ended and interchangeable. Duty, Faith and Justice could all apply to the same thing in a given situation, probably Truth, too. Would be like saying "Ok you can roll for this test using, um, Agility or Charisma or Willpower or who knows, Strength, whatever you're best at." And best-case scenario you're getting into lots of metagame debates about whether sneaking past a guard is informed by one's morality or code of honor or faith, just quasi-philosophical nattering over and over, instead of just having attributes and skills. Like that's a plus, if you're stopping the action to discuss whether your seduction roll is based on Duty or Truth. I think that, in many ways, the rules are very faithful to the way the Dune books play out, where there are sort of no details, and few visuals--things just happen, often off-screen, so to speak, because a character wants them to. But as someone who loves other 2d20 games, and the Dune setting, I don't see how this specific combination works for an RPG. I'd have rather seen a more straightforward Conan or Infinity-style ruleset and a narrower scope of play, focused on a specific part of the setting. Give me something clear to do, and why I'm doing it, and clear rules to do it. But there's clearly so much effort put into this adaptation, and it's clearly ambitious, so I'd love for it to succeed on its own terms. I really do hope I'm wrong and the narrative/improv crowd eats it up, zones and all. [/QUOTE]

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