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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 6997601" data-attributes="member: 6802951"><p>IMO it is realistic that people don't choose to use the dagger in open combat for preference. In the real world daggers were never a primary military weapon. They were used as a backup and while wrestling by warriors and in more civilian situations as a weapon of concealment or stealth - or simply because it was the only weapon you were carrying.</p><p></p><p>Hmm. I saw in the first bout, several double hits before the dual-wielder actually managed to score uncontested points against the single-sword wielder. In the second bout, against someone who knew how to use the reach of the sword, the dual-dagger wielder got quite thoroughly beaten.</p><p></p><p>Now imagine that the longsword wielders were not restricted as to striking areas, were allowed to use the weight of their weapons, and were fighting an opponent that wasn't willing to "throw themselves into into him as they were dying". </p><p>You'll actually notice that in most cases where the dual-dagger wielder got hits in, they were delivered effectively at grapple distances. And that is where daggers saw most of their use as weapons of war.</p><p></p><p> Not many people's character concepts for warrior types involve fighting with a dagger as a main weapon because its not something as easy to picture as a historical-warrior-based concept. I think that there are plenty of reasons other than metagaming not to play that concept.</p><p>As has been pointed out before, D&D just doesn't model combat at the level of detail required to reflect the pressures that shaped actual weapons and armour choice.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 6997601, member: 6802951"] IMO it is realistic that people don't choose to use the dagger in open combat for preference. In the real world daggers were never a primary military weapon. They were used as a backup and while wrestling by warriors and in more civilian situations as a weapon of concealment or stealth - or simply because it was the only weapon you were carrying. Hmm. I saw in the first bout, several double hits before the dual-wielder actually managed to score uncontested points against the single-sword wielder. In the second bout, against someone who knew how to use the reach of the sword, the dual-dagger wielder got quite thoroughly beaten. Now imagine that the longsword wielders were not restricted as to striking areas, were allowed to use the weight of their weapons, and were fighting an opponent that wasn't willing to "throw themselves into into him as they were dying". You'll actually notice that in most cases where the dual-dagger wielder got hits in, they were delivered effectively at grapple distances. And that is where daggers saw most of their use as weapons of war. Not many people's character concepts for warrior types involve fighting with a dagger as a main weapon because its not something as easy to picture as a historical-warrior-based concept. I think that there are plenty of reasons other than metagaming not to play that concept. As has been pointed out before, D&D just doesn't model combat at the level of detail required to reflect the pressures that shaped actual weapons and armour choice. [/QUOTE]
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