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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5973818" data-attributes="member: 87792">If that's what WotC is thinking then their business planning people are quite literally incompetent and WotC D&amp;D deserves to fail.&nbsp; What they need to compare is Number of Paizo folks who are unhappy enough with Paizo or who have enough desire for the D&amp;D name to want to switch + Number of legacy D&amp;D players who want to play a new game and are unhappy with their current one.&nbsp;Paizo is better than WotC at what Paizo does - and to even think of counting the number of Paizo folks as a target market means you must be able to produce a better enough product to tear the Paizo fans away from WotC despite them all having turned away from WotC.&nbsp;Legacy D&amp;D players - a potential market too.&nbsp; But WotC have already had a huge try at that market - it was called 3.0.&nbsp; &nbsp;Number of 4e players = number of people not currently playing a competing game and therefore fairly easy for WotC to get at.&nbsp; There are many ways to make a superior product than 4e - and 4e fans are people currently looking reflexively at WotC rather than people WotC will need to go out and get.&nbsp; So all else being equal, it would be much easier to get 4e players to play 5e than non-4e players.&nbsp;However things aren't all equal.&nbsp; WotC has two bases that aren't really looking at them and they'd need serious work to convert, and the one base that needs little work they are actively pissing off.&nbsp;&nbsp;Case in point <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; Current AD&amp;D players are happy with AD&amp;D.&nbsp; Current Pathfinder players are happy with Pathfinder (and supplements are still coming out).&nbsp; Current 4e players are not happy with the plan for 5e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5973818, member: 87792"] If that's what WotC is thinking then their business planning people are quite literally incompetent and WotC D&D deserves to fail. What they need to compare is Number of Paizo folks [I]who are unhappy enough with Paizo or who have enough desire for the D&D name to want to switch[/I] + Number of legacy D&D players [I]who want to play a new game and are unhappy with their current one.[/I] Paizo is better than WotC at what Paizo does - and to even think of counting the number of Paizo folks as a target market means you must be able to produce a better enough product to tear the Paizo fans away from WotC despite them all having turned away from WotC. Legacy D&D players - a potential market too. But WotC have already had a huge try at that market - it was called 3.0. Number of 4e players = number of people [I]not currently playing a competing game and therefore fairly easy for WotC to get at. [/I]There are many ways to make a superior product than 4e - and 4e fans are people currently looking reflexively at WotC rather than people WotC will need to go out and get. So all else being equal, it would be much easier to get 4e players to play 5e than non-4e players. However things aren't all equal. WotC has two bases that aren't really looking at them and they'd need serious work to convert, and the one base that needs little work [I]they are actively pissing off[/I]. Case in point :) Current AD&D players are happy with AD&D. Current Pathfinder players are happy with Pathfinder (and supplements are still coming out). Current 4e players are not happy with the plan for 5e. [/QUOTE]

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