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Message: <blockquote data-quote="smilinggm" data-source="post: 2736729" data-attributes="member: 2394">IMHO this is not truly a moral desion, this is a choice of ethics.  What you are realy asking is how evil is your party.  Is your party willing to use force to take whatever they want or think that they need.  Any good or even neutral alligned party should leave and seak supplies elsewhere.  You aso stated that the party is strong enough to take this village by force.  Thus implying that, they are not in true danger of starving to death if they leave.  Now if this same party had been lost in the destert for weeks before finding this Oasis, and they were on the brink of death due to stavation, and the village refuesed to even sell the party food and water, then force might be warranted.  But even then a good party should only use non-lethal force. Now to challenge your idea that Paladins are never in a moral delima two harsh moral choices for your palidins to face.Delima 1)Your party has been on the open seas for several weeks, as the captain steers the ship in to the harbor, the party notices several disturbing things.  The sky is begining to fill with black clouds of dust and fire from the volcano that just erupted.  That the harbor is empty of other ships.  That there is a large croud of people on the docks looking desparatly at your party's ship.     You estimate that you have about 15 min  window to get out of the harbor safely before this harbor is filled with the pyroclastic flow .  Your ship is not a large vessel but you estimate that it could carry about 50 more adults before it is overloaded and will capisize.  There are about 300 men women and children crouded on the docks.  Even overloaded your ship should have enough speed to get back into open water befoe the harbor is destroyed by the volcano. Anyone left on the harbor when the flow hits will be killed.   This ship can be operated by a 4 man crew and you have a party of 6 abord with 8 crewman operating the ship for the party. What do you do with your 15 min?  Do you dock and  load as many villagers as possible,  Do you imediatly turn the ship around to open water.  Do you give up your spot on the ship so that several children may live.  You do not have any way to stop the flow from hitting the harbor ie wish.  What do you do???Delima 2)Your kingdom is at war.  Your King's castle is under attack.  The Attack is being lead by a Githyanki riding Red Dragons.   The battle is not going well.  Your king is leading the counterattack vs this force.  Your party the only thing standing between this force and utter defeat.  Runners arrive at the castle with news that a nearby village that is under your kings protection has just been attacked by a squad of Githyanki.  Your king orders your party to rush to the village and save the people there.  You know that if you leave that the forces here will be overwelmed and your king will die.  Without your help everyone in the village will die.  Do you commit treason and stay with your king and save him or do you follow his commnad and go save the village and thus letting your king die.  What do you do?Just to twist the knife a little,  you had sent your family to this village to hide just incase this castle did fall, but the Githyanki discovered this bit of info and decided to send a force there to spite the hero's.</blockquote>

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