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<blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 5730198" data-attributes="member: 762"><p>On the flour trick:</p><p></p><p>Standard action to throw it - it would reveal if the invisible enemy was in the square and possibly the direction he went - but: the fighter would have to succeed on a touch attack and the miss chance would still apply against the opponent (it's not like the flour coats the invisible mage completely and thoroughly outlines his body). Against things like mirror image, blurr, blink the flour wouldn't do much at all.</p><p></p><p>Also some campaigns have illusion directly affect the mind and not have a physical component at all (stated up front of course) in which case the flour isn't doing much at all either.</p><p></p><p>On the pepper trick:</p><p></p><p>Attack vs. dex. with an improvised weapon (which means no weapon bonus to hit) if hit the target is blind until the end of your next turn. I'd likely only let it be used once in the encounter as anyone ready for it would be hard pressed to fall for the trick - especially twice.</p><p></p><p>3e would be touch attack - target has a fortitude save (DC 14 or so seems about right) other wise blinded 1-2 rounds. But if the fighter is not trained in improved unarmed combat (or at the very least has the dirty fighting feat) I'd likely rule that the opponent gets and AoO just like if the fighter was trying to punch him without proper training.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mort, post: 5730198, member: 762"] On the flour trick: Standard action to throw it - it would reveal if the invisible enemy was in the square and possibly the direction he went - but: the fighter would have to succeed on a touch attack and the miss chance would still apply against the opponent (it's not like the flour coats the invisible mage completely and thoroughly outlines his body). Against things like mirror image, blurr, blink the flour wouldn't do much at all. Also some campaigns have illusion directly affect the mind and not have a physical component at all (stated up front of course) in which case the flour isn't doing much at all either. On the pepper trick: Attack vs. dex. with an improvised weapon (which means no weapon bonus to hit) if hit the target is blind until the end of your next turn. I'd likely only let it be used once in the encounter as anyone ready for it would be hard pressed to fall for the trick - especially twice. 3e would be touch attack - target has a fortitude save (DC 14 or so seems about right) other wise blinded 1-2 rounds. But if the fighter is not trained in improved unarmed combat (or at the very least has the dirty fighting feat) I'd likely rule that the opponent gets and AoO just like if the fighter was trying to punch him without proper training. [/QUOTE]
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